The Spiritual Body “IBV” & New Creation Worldview

by Brad Baker

June 17th 2022

1 To reveal what was the glory of the Bride of Christ let first take a look at what was the glory Eve had seeing that Adam was the type for the Father of mankind and Eve was his wife.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

2 So Eve was the mother of all the living so that would mean all of creation of mankind. 3 Paul said here that the creation was subjected to futility and that it would be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Romans 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

4 Futility means pointlessness or uselessness:

5 The first century Church understood that they would become the Bride of Christ at the coming of the Lord at the end of the Age, that happened in AD70. 6 They were expecting to have Spiritual Offspring as an antitype to what Eve was as the Mother of all living. 7 Therefore the Bride of Christ was to become the Spiritual Mother of all living creation with the expectation for it to be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 8 The Brides Spiritual Offspring was known by Paul’s writing was Revealed or Manifested Sons of God but they waited for the manifestation of that to happen.

Romans 8: 18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.

9 Now here is where it gets tricky and can throw you off. 10 A friend of mine told me that:

10 I don’t expect to be taken that way—and I certainly haven’t received a heavenly body yet.  So I don’t count myself among the revealed sons of God.

11 The thought came to me that maybe I was wrong all this time and that the Manifestation was something in the afterlife when we receive an Immortal Spirited Beings “redemptive” Body. 12 Then I thought well maybe there is a difference between the manifestation being for those who were there alive and were raptured in AD70 and the manifested Offspring that would happen after the marriage of the Bride and Groom. 13 Then I realized that the redemptive body that the first century Church was waiting for, was before the manifestation of the Sons of God took place. 14 The Offspring would still have to wait for physical death, otherwise we all would be in our Spirited Beings “redemptive” Body now. 15 And if that were the cast none of us would have to physical die. 16 I’m glad my friend brought that up because if he had not this mystery would have not been able to be solved in my mind.

The First Resurrection:


17 After all of the saints from Adam to Jesus Christ death on the cross had to sleep in Hades in order to be resurrected from the dead in Matthew 27:51-53 to get their Immortal Spirited Beings Body. 18 They would have ascended into Heaven following Christ at His Ascension forty days after they were resurrected. 19 The resurrected saints who were disembodied souls were resurrected into their Spiritual bodies without a process. 20 While Jesus could have been in a process because He was flesh and bone and said to Thomas that He was not a Spirit but afterwards appeared in other forms in:

Mark 16:12 After that, He appeared in another form to two of them as they walked and went into the country.

Matthew 27:51Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

21 Then disappeared into a cloud at His Ascension and had become a Life-giving Spirit because He could not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven if He was flesh and blood. 22 This was all part of the first resurrection in:

23 The first century Church who are asleep were the ones who were not beheaded or killed and would have died from natural causes etc. 24 It seems like those who were had a special place of being resurrected after they were killed because of their testimony of Jesus Christ with those in Matthew 27 and got to reign with Christ until the end of the Age and were blessed to be part in the first resurrection.


25 This was also part of the first resurrection in:

1 Thessalonians 4:15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

 Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Revelation 1:18I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.



26 Everyone else in the world who were dead and had disembodied souls had to wait until the end of the Age at the second and final resurrection of the dead in order to get a Spirited Beings Body.

Spiritual Body Change in a Twinkling of an Eye:

27 The glory of the Bride of Christ is in what John saw in the book of Revelation and it is connected to Hebrews 12 as the New Jerusalem. 28 The old Jerusalem which was ancient Israel betrayed God and crucified His Son Jesus Christ so God had destroyed along with the old Heaven & Earth.

Revelation 21:2 John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Hebrews 12:22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,

29 The first century Church would become the Bride and Apostle Paul was expecting something glorious to be revealed in them at the Coming of the Lord. 30 They were eagerly waiting for the adoption, and the redemption of their body. 31 The redemption of their body was to become a Spiritual body. 32 Now get this it does not say that the Offspring of the Bride and Groom who would come after the Marriage were to get a Spiritual body. 33 The ones expecting a Spiritual body was the Bride to be, as in the first century Church. 34 No one after the marriage of the Bride and Groom would be the Bride. 35 They would be their Spiritual Offspring as the revealed or manifested Children of God and of the resurrection in the Age that was to come which is the Age we have been in for almost 2000 years. 36 The Manifested Children of God would be all of creation which was the whole rest of the world as Offspring of Christ and the Church instead of Adam and Eve, but all of creation would have to wait until physical death to get a Spiritual body which should be obvious to us all. 37 and if we are worthy it would be Immortal and if not Mortal. 38 The adoption would be right after the Marriage in AD70 but the redemption of bodies after that would have to wait until physical death. 39 Unlike what happened to the Church when they were changed in a twinkling of an eye and were raptured or caught up in the air to meet the Lord at His coming before the Marriage took place.

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labours with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

1 Corinthians 15:50-54

Our Final Victory

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

40 The transformation change for what the first century Church hoped for their future of a new beginning with each one of them having a redemptive Spiritual body while still physical alive was something that only the ones who remained alive at the coming of the Lord would experience for the only time in history. 41 The change was all at once and within a twinkling of an eye without a process like a caterpillar going through a change in a cocoon to the butterfly. The scripture is clear which way it happened. 

42 For the sake of exploring a process view of a change I will do so in this article, because for us I believe it would apply and maybe Jesus experienced a process as well. 43 Jesus was raised from the dead as flesh and bone and asked doubting Thomas to put his fingers into his flesh where He had nail spikes driven through His hands to prove He was no a Spirit. 44 Yet at some point in time after that Jesus was appearing in other forms like the Angels could do and Jesus disappeared in a cloud at His ascension. 45 Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 that Jesus had become a Life-giving Spirit. 46 So there could have been a process that Jesus went through. 47 If He had been dead for a very long time and His body returned to dust and He was a disembodied soul, then Jesus could have not gone through a process from a corruptible body to a Spiritual body but His body was freshly dead within three days. 48 Otherwise it would have had to happen instantly like to the one in Matthew 27:51-53.

1Cor 15:20-23 proves that the resurrection was not an ongoing process at the time Paul wrote it in AD57. This was the body change from corruptible to incorruptible, but this was for those who have fallen asleep.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

49 There should be no problem understanding the change that happened to the disembodied souls who were asleep in Hades did not have to go through a process in order to have a Spiritual body at the time of the resurrection in AD70 because their bodies would have returned to the dust of the Earth.



50 Those who were alive at the time of the Parousia also had a change to their corruptible bodies that happened in a twinkling of an eye. 51 I have gotten a good reason why the few that remained alive at the coming of the Lord in AD70 got a Spiritual body at the coming of the Lord and why everyone else has to wait for it at physical death. 52 The reason why is because they were the very rare, and few, and once in a life time throughout all history for these people to get a Spiritual body without physical dying first. 53 It is because they were part of being the Bride of Christ. 54 The Bride and Groom became Spiritually connected in every way at the marriage of the Lamb. 55 The two shall become one therefore the ones who were alive join into the Spiritual body that Jesus Christ had at His Parousia in the clouds of glory in AD70. 56 They were to be part of the same Bride of Christ just like all of those who passed away who were members of the Church in the first century. 57 Can you just image a broken promise of becoming the Bride of Christ at the wedding if they would have had to wait until they physically died the receive a Spiritual body before they could become part of the Bride while the others who had passed away would have been able to be at the marriage of the Lamb. 58 The Book of Revelation ends with the Bride coming down out of heaven so those who remain on the Earth were not come down out of heaven. 59 They were raising up to meet them and join them but the marriage had not taken place yet. 60 So it most likely that there individual bodies went through an instant transformation into a Immortal Spirited Beings body while rising up to meet them so that they could be joined in with having a Spiritual body when the marriage to Christ was going to take place and they were making themselves get ready.


Revelation 21:2Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

61 The Book of Revelation end before the marriage took place so we have no written record in scripture to say what really happened or how it happened with the transformation.

Revelation 22: 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.


62 I just heard recently that the Parousia or coming of the Lord that His Parousia could have happened over the period of time of three and a half years starting when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem in AD66. 63 So if that is the way that happened then there was a lot of time for things others to happen but the dead were raised at the sound of the last Trump and the Book of Revelation had seven of them so The Feast of Trumpets may have as well and like the walls of Jericho coming down did. 64 Then the fulfillment of the Feast Day of Atonement at the Great White Throne Judgment took place before the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles took place which is where I see the marriage of the Lamb. 65 Or it could have been at the last Trump when the Feast of Trumpet would have occurred with the resurrection of the dead with a rising up to meet the Lord in the air before the other Feasts were fulfilled.

What Happened to Apostle John and Those who were Alive at the Parousia:

66 All I know is the question will arise what happened to John because as history records it John lived until around AD100. 67 And what happened to the others who escaped to Pella to avoid the great tribulation that came upon Jerusalem in AD66 because we have no eye witnesses that recorded it. 68 Those who wrote the history have proven to have manufactured it up because it just does not add up when compared to what Papias who knew John said that John was killed in AD64 with someone else. 69 It also has been noted that there could have been another John at the time who was alive after AD70 who was where the historians say Apostle John was. 70 However if this was true then why did not John write about the temple being destroyed and why he was still hanging around and missed the rapture because he would had over 25 years to write. 71 Yet not one book was ever written by John after he wrote the book of Revelation in AD61 and then died in AD64.

72 It is traditionally believed that John was the youngest of the apostles and survived them. He is said to have lived to old age, dying at Ephesus sometime after AD 98, during the reign of Trajan.


73 Ed Stevens wrote an article called: Did John Live Beyond AD 70?

• Notice what PAPIAS says here about the death of John:

Pap. 5:5 Papias says in his second book that John the Theologian and James his

brother were killed by Jews.

Pap. 6:3 For Papias, the bishop of Hierapolis, who had seen him with his own eyes,

claims in the second book of the Sayings of the Lord that John was killed by Jews, thus

clearly fulfilling, together with his brother, Christ’s prophecy concerning them and their

own confession and agreement about this.

Pap. 6:4 For when the Lord said to them, “Are you able to drink the cup that I

drink?” and they eagerly assented and agreed, he said: “You will drink my cup and

will be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized.”

Pap. 6:5 And this is to be expected, for it is impossible for God to lie.

Pap. 6:6 Moreover the encyclopedic Origen also affirms in his interpretation of the

Gospel according to Matthew that John was martyred, indicating that he had learned

this from the successors of the apostles.

• Papias claimed that John was killed by the Jews, evidently at a time when they still had

the ability and opportunity to do so. This would point to the Neronic persecution (AD

64), until it was cut short by the outbreak of the Jewish revolt (AD 66). It would not

have been easy for them to do much against Christians after the war began, and

especially not after the war ended.

• The Jews had no political or judicial power to kill anyone after 70. It clearly points to a

time before 70 when the Jews would have had the authority, opportunity, and means

by which to do it. The Neronic persecution fits that description well, since that is when

the Jews were in their most powerful position against the Christians.

• As we look at the Biblical evidence in Matthew 20, Mark 10, and John 21, we will notice

that it points unambiguously toward the conclusion that Apostle John must have died in

the Neronic persecution before the Parousia.


B. The death of John before AD 70 would absolutely clinch the pre-70 date of all the

Johannine writings. And it would completely negate all the other objections that futurists

have raised against the preterist view using John’s supposed longevity beyond AD 70.

Matthew 20:22-23 and Mark 10:38-39

E. Matt. 20:22-23 and Mark 10:38-39 — These texts mention the occasion when the two

sons of Zebedee (James and John) requested that Jesus seat them on his right and left sides

when He came into His Kingdom Glory at the Parousia. Notice the wording here:

Matt 20:22-23 —

“drink THE CUP THAT I AM ABOUT TO DRINK”

“MY CUP you [both] shall drink”

Mark 10:38-39 —

“drink THE CUP THAT I DRINK”

“be baptized with THE BAPTISM with which I AM BAPTIZED”

“THE CUP THAT I DRINK you [both] shall drink”

“you [both] shall be baptized with THE BAPTISM with which I AM BAPTIZED”

• Jesus asked both of them if they were able to drink the cup of martyrdom that he was

about to drink. They both replied that they were able. Then Jesus said to both of them

(James and John) that they would both drink the cup of martyrdom. This means both

James and John would die before Christ returned. We know James was killed by Herod

Agrippa I in AD 44 (Acts 12:2). When was John killed?

• If James and John were only going to drink a generic cup (which could be either death or

persecution), why does Jesus say that they would drink His particular cup, the [same]

cup that He was about to drink? Sounds pretty specific to me. I do not see much wiggle

room here. By the time John wrote his gospel (AD 61), it would have been crystal clear

what cup it was that both Jesus and his brother James had drank (death). Even if the 12

words of Jesus here may have some ambiguity, all doubt is removed by the historical

deaths of Jesus and James. I do not see how John could have had much doubt about it in

AD 61 when he wrote his gospel. That is why he contested the rumor about his “not

dying” before the Parousia (John 21:23). He had to at least suspect that he would “drink

the same cup” that his brother James drank, which was “the [same] cup” Jesus drank.

Matthew 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, “You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”

They said to Him, “We are able.”

23 So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.”


74 Historians claim that Jesus said John would be alive at His coming but this is not what Jesus said. Jesus was simply telling them to mind their own business. 75 Now was Jesus lying about John having to drink the same cup because if Jesus was all Futurist and Partial Preterist would have a leg to stand on with their eschatological views.

John 21:22 Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”

23 Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?”

76 If you have any doubts on this I highly recommend that you read Ed Stevens article because he goes into great detail on this subject. 77 All of Full Preterist hangs on this because if John really did live past AD70 then why was he not raptured or any of the first century saint who escaped to Pella were not raptured. 78 Then all prophecies that Jesus spoke of that would be fulfilled were not, so it also would make Jesus a liar according to what He said in:


 Luke 21: 20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

The Seed to Plant Analogy:

79 Ed Stevens says in his article: The Seed Analogy in 1Cor 15:36-44. Another point here that we must not miss, is that the new plant body comes from the inner germ of the seed, not from the outer shell of the seed casing. It is the outer shell of the body which dies, while the inner germ rises into “its” new plant body form. Paul is clearly affirming a bodily afterlife here, and shows that the new body is a different kind of body, and that it comes from the inner germ (the inner man), and not from its resuscitated, reanimated, mortal, corruptible, physical body (the outer shell).

1 Corinthians 15:35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

Process View of a Body Changing to Immortality:

80 For the sake of exploring a process view of a change I will do so in this article, because for us I believe it would apply and maybe Jesus experienced a process as well. 81 But for those who were alive and remained at the coming of the Lord their change was instant according to the scriptures and proof of there being no other way around it. 82 Jesus was raised from the dead as flesh and bone and asked doubting Thomas to put his fingers into his flesh where He had nail spikes driven through His hands to prove He was no a Spirit. 83 Yet at some point in time after that Jesus was appearing in other forms like the Angels could do and Jesus disappeared in a cloud at His ascension. 84 Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 that Jesus had become a Life-giving Spirit. 85 So there could have been a process that Jesus went through. 86 If He had been dead for a very long time and His body returned to dust then Jesus could have not gone through a process from a corruptible body to a Spiritual body. 87 It would have had to happen instantly like to the one in Matthew 27:51-53.

The Seed to a Plant for the Physical Body:

88 The Seed Germination Process

Step 1: Imbibition: water fills the seed.

Step 2: The water activates enzymes that begin the plant’s growth.

Step 3: The seed grows a root to access water underground.

Step 4: The seed grows shoots that grow towards the sun.

Step 5: The shoots grow leaves and begin photmorphogenesis.

89 I want to reiterate the seed to a plant for the physical body as a seed then at physical death it becomes a plant of various kinds or in another form like Jesus appeared in: Mark 16:12

1 Corinthians 15:35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

1 The Seed = Physical Death of the Body

2 The Plant = Spiritual Body or Spirited Being that is either Immortal or Mortal

Transformation of our Spirit from Spiritual Death:

90 I believe there was a transformation of their Spirit for the first century Church and well as what happens to the body. 91 Adam did not just die a Spiritual death but a substitute physical death as well of an animal that God made skins for them to wear the day Adam sinned. 92 The transformation from Spiritual death to Spiritual life came through faith in Christ and water baptism was what signified death to self and being raised to resurrection life for the Spirit.

93 There is no better way to describe the transformation of our Spirit than the caterpillar, cocoon and butterfly metamorphosis or change. 94 I see it this way when applied to the Spirit in the Bible. 95 Take a good at the butterfly because that is what we want to be in a figurative way after we physical die and not a caterpillar. 96 Unless one would prefer Spiritual death like the Prodigal son did when he departed from his Father’s Kingdom and went out into the world for what it had to offer. 97 He returned back to his Father and was born again from Spiritual death before he physical would have died so he would have been like a butterfly instead of a caterpillar.

98 Butterflies are beautiful and have mystery, symbolism, and meaning and are a metaphor representing spiritual rebirth, transformation, change, hope, and life. 99 The magnificent, yet the short life of the butterfly closely mirrors the process of spiritual transformation and serves to remind us that life is short. 100 Those who are at the end of their journey here on Earth time is short for them to prepare for the hereafter if they are lucky to have that time to get ready and to be Spiritual alive before they part ways.

101 In its metamorphosis from the common, colourless caterpillar to the exquisite winged creature of delicate beauty, the butterfly has become a metaphor for transformation and hope; across cultures, it has become a symbol for rebirth and resurrection, for the triumph of the spirit and the soul over the physical prison, the material world. 102 Among the ancients, is an emblem of the soul and of unconscious attraction towards light. It is the soul as the opposite of the worm. 

103 What do butterflies symbolize new beginnings? 104 A powerful beacon of growth and new beginnings, the butterfly signifies the power of transformation and the incredible feats we can achieve when we trust ourselves. 105 We all have the ability to listen to our innate wisdom, guide ourselves through difficult times, and emerge better and stronger than before.

 106 Now I want to now illustrating a metamorphosis change with the caterpillar, cocoon, butterfly for our Spirit which is separate from the body while being housed in it. 107 Once the physical body dies the Spirit returns back to God like a butterfly being released from its cocoon so that it can join the new Spiritual body waiting for the Spirit to enter into and become one in the hereafter. 108 We will be able to identify each other with an Immortal Spirited Beings Body with a Spirit like a Butterfly in the Kingdom of Heaven. 109 Or with a Mortal Spirited Beings Body with a Spirit like a Caterpillar in the Lake of Fire.

110 We have three figurative things now:

1 The Caterpillar = Spiritual Mortal Death

2 The cocoon = Immortal Life clothing the Spirit within the Temple of the Physical Body

3 The Butterfly = Immortal Spirit without a Spiritual Body


111 The caterpillar would be the Spirit that is considered to be dead like Adam’s Spiritual death was after they disobeyed God and sinned. 112 The fellowship they had with God after that was not as it was feeding from the Tree of Life but instead feeding from the Tree of Knowledge.

 113 After a person returns back to feeding from the Tree of Life their Spirit is made alive and clothed with Immortality like a cocoon wrapped around the caterpillar and the caterpillar is being transformed into the butterfly which represents the image of Christ. 114 We stay in this state until physical death.

115 From Adam to Moses Spiritual death reigned so they were like a Caterpillar that was not in the cocoon stage of metamorphosis from Spiritual death to Immortal Life. 116 Then when Moses was given the law the people of Israel entered into the metamorphosis stage at the centre of being either a caterpillar or butterfly after the Feast Day of Atonement when the whole nation was forgiven of their sins. 117 After that they always resorted back to the caterpillar while both keeping and breaking the laws and doing the requirements of sacrificing animals for the forgiveness of sins in order to maintain life.

118 King David was an exception after the Arc of the Covenant was recaptured and he set up a three sided tent called the Tabernacle of David. 119 David’s Spirit was more like going in the direction of a Butterfly instead of resorting back to a Caterpillar because he walked with God like Enoch did.

120 The first century Church was like in the cocoon starting at the butterfly stage of metamorphosis.

 121 After the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ he spent three days and nights preaching to those in Hades and took the keys of Hades and of Death and that released them. 123 Then after Jesus ascended He sent His Spirit through the power of Pentecost to begin the metamorphosis or transformation going in the opposite direction for the Spirit in them that was born again. 124 That was instead of Spiritual life from death starting at the centre and going back to a caterpillar like before from Moses time at the Feast Day of Atonement that it went the other way to a butterfly. 125 It was for a born again experience to those who believed and were baptized into Christ and filled with the Immortal Holy Spirit for eternal life.


126 After the Temple was destroyed Jesus entered into the Most Holy Place to fulfilled the Feast Day of Atonement for the whole world and came out without sin according to Hebrews 9:28 127 Then after the second and final resurrection in AD70 at the Great White Throne Judgment He separated the sheep nations from the goat nations after all their works were burnt up by the refining fire and rewards those according to their works that remained.


128 After that is where the Book of Revelation ends, the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles was to begin with the marriage of the Bride and Groom that was never recorded about on how it all took place after the Bride had made her self ready. 129 After that all of creation was delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God which also was not recorded about on how it all took place. 130 Now we have to assume by connecting the dots that all of mankind starting life with their own personal Spirit like in the cocoon starting at the butterfly stage of metamorphosis and heading towards being a butterfly with their Spirit clothed in a cocoon of Immortal life. 131 According to this is what is meant in:

1 Corinthians 15:21For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

134 So now what happens if someone reverts in the process and heads back to a caterpillar into Spiritual death. 135 I believe we see that in the parable of the Prodigal Son. 136 After he returned back to his Father he started at the centre again with his Spirit wrapped in Immortal life and heading like once again towards the butterfly. 137  So that when he physical died he would be given an Immortal Spirited Beings Body after his Spirit that would be like a butterfly returning back to God. 138 All he said was father forgive me for I have sinned against you and I am not worthy to be your son and just like that the process of transformation began and he was born again from the second death he was heading for. 139 The first death that came from Adam that mankind inherited was cast into the Lake of Fire so this second death replaced that when All Things were Made New, for all of creation was delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God with immortal life clothed on them from birth.

140 The opposite of that would have happened if the Prodigal never returned back to his Father and he would have had his Spirit like a caterpillar returning back to God at physical death to receive a Mortal Spirited Beings Body that would be cast into the Lake of Fire. 141 That Mortal Spirited Beings Body would eventually be burnt to ashes and be gone just like that at a point in time because it was not Immortal and in the Kingdom of Heaven. 142 Some people believe that would happen right away but others believe that there will be a time of torment that the scriptures mention. 143 It does matter to me but I believe that there will be a season of torment first because I see it in the scriptures of there being that with Revelation 20:9-10 seeming to say that those who were created as Spirited Beings and always were to be tormented forever while Malachi is saying the wicked will be ashes under the soles of your feet. 144 I have read scripture where it mention those who are in the hereafter to be able to see each other from both sides of the Kingdom of heaven and Darkness.

Matthew 8:28 When He had come to the other side, to the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two demon-possessed men, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one could pass that way. 29 And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

Luke 16:23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Malachi 4:3You shall trample the wicked,
For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
On the day that I do this,”
Says the Lord of hosts.

Revelation 20:9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Conclusion:

145 To understand the parable of the Ten Virgins we need to understand that vessels and lamps are symbolic of people and oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit.


2 Timothy 2:20-21But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honour and some for dishonour. 21Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honour, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.

The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins:

Matthew 25: 1 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept. 6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. 11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

146 The only ones who took oil with them to put into their vessels were the wise. 147 They all had oil in the lamps but they needed extra oil for the Bridegroom was delayed so they needed it to the extra extended amount of time. 148 Just like the whole world was Baptized into the Holy Spirit they to ran out of oil and slept in Outer Darkness and after realizing it they weeped and gnashed their teeth wanting oil. 149 Oil speaking of the Holy Spirit, vessels speaks of their bodies being indwelling with the Holy Spirit after their former rain oil from Pentecost ran out. 150 That goes from being delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God that is incorruptible at the coming of the Lord. 151 This is how those who were alive and remained who were going to be the Bride of Christ who had their bodies changed in a twinkling of an eye while the foolish virgins ran out of oil and the door was shut. 152 So the wise virgins never did experience a physical death like all others did before them nor did they have to wait in Hades to be resurrected like those who did in Matthew 27:51-53.

153 Only the wise who were alive at the coming of the Lord retained enough oil to make themselves ready for the marriage. 154 The foolish got left behind in Outer Darkness like the Prodigal Son when he departed from his Father and slipped off into the world of pleasure that lead to his Spiritual death. 155 He eventually was tormented in the refining fire until he returned back to his father where he came back to life and was Spiritually born again.

156 The Churches of Christ “CoC” which is what Max King belonged to and he was the founder of Full Preterism believed that when a person reaches the age of accountability they have sinned and then need forgiveness. 157 This would mean that a child would be born alive in Christ to me and when later on in life they sin like the Prodigal Son did.

158I seems to me that they were on the right track to something here because pre AD70 all were born under Adam’s sin and death. 159 They realized to some degree about the Manifestation of the Sons of God and about all of creation itself l being delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God in AD70. 160 I just haven’t seen anything from those who believe in the Covenantal Eschatology view which is the main view of Full Preterism, mention anything like I do concerning the Manifested Sons of God. 161 Maybe it is because they may assume that the Manifested Sons of God have to have an Immortal Spirited Being’s body first which would they have to wait until physical death, so then the Glorious Creation would only be in the afterlife.


162 Many of those but not all who have the Covenantal Eschatology view also believe in the Corporate Body View CBV and some of them, not all believe in the anti- indwelling of the Holy Spirit post AD70.

163 This will be there down fall of the anti- indwelling of the Holy Spirit of those who promote that when the truth comes out fully and worst then like getting left behind like Moses did in the wilderness. 164 Without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit they may have to face at physical death what the foolish virgins faced in:

Matthew 25:11-11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.

165 Edward E. Stevens was saying about the CBV that something not sitting with him right back in 1978. 166 When he was with Max King and Max shared that view with him. 167 Ed Stevens developed the Individual Body View IBV in 1993 after 15 years of going along with the CBV. 168 The IBV makes more sense to me because of the analysis Ed Stevens did plus Ed Stevens steered away from the anti- indwelling of the Holy Spirit post AD70 view as well a few other things. 169 However there are lot who support anti- indwelling of the Holy Spirit post AD70 that believe in the CBV.


170 What we need now is for Ed Stevens or some one like him, to do a complete analysis on Romans 8:12-18 being as the place where they were at Pre AD70 waiting for the glory which shall be revealed in them. 171 I’m not qualified to understand Greek and English, I got straight F’s in English in High School but I did get straight A’s in Math which helps me figure things out with typology connecting to scripture and their fulfillments in the Spiritual realm and hearing what the Spirit is saying.

Romans 8:18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.


172 Versus what would be for post AD70 in:

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 

173 While not getting mixed in or confused with Romans 8: 19-21 flipping back to Pre AD70 waiting for the glory which shall be revealed in them in eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of their body:

 Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labours with birth pangs together until now. 23Not only that, but we also who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

174 If the Manifestation of the Sons of Gods view that I have has not happened yet because we don’t have a body that has been redeemed from corruption or some other thing, then that would mean a lot of things have not happened yet in the Spiritual realm.

1 The creation itself has not delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God yet.

2 Either the New Heaven & Earth has not begun yet or we have to wait until physical death to be adopted and the glorious liberty of and be Children of God.

3 The glory which was to be revealed in the Bride of Christ has not happened yet.

4 Adam’s death has not been cast into the Lake of Fire yet, so we would go to Hades after we die instant straight into the presence of God.

5 The resurrection of the dead never took place in AD70

6 All of mankind is still born under Adam’s sin and death so being born alive in Christ for the New Heaven & Earth would have never taken place nor ever will.

7 We all can not be conformed into the image of Jesus Christ if it requires a redemptive body while we are alive on Earth.

175 Immortality is put on us at birth like clothing or wrapped around our Spirit like a cocoon so we can be conformed into the image of Christ Spiritually and wait until physical death to go through the seed to plant illustrations to get a Spiritual body like Christ has for our Spirit in the hereafter.

176 If any of those have not happened yet, then all Full Preterist should change their tune and dance with the futurist on their view and wonder why they even called themselves Full Preterist. Full Preterism is based on all things being fulfilled not just some of them.

177 I am convinced now that the extra oil that the wise virgins took with them before that went out to meet the Bridegroom was the oil that was the Latter Rain Outpouring in AD70 to help get them ready for the Marriage of the Lamb and be outpoured on the whole Earth for the adoption from Adam to Christ as Offspring of our Everlasting Father. 178 The Former Outpouring was the oil that they got in their vessels from the Day of Pentecost to forty years after that to AD70 that Jesus was speaking about in The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins.

179 I see Max King in his Corporate Body View as a stepping stone that helped take us to present day truth here now with Ed Stevens Individual Body View, but the CBV is a dead end street just like when Moses and that whole generation were not permitted to enter into the promise land. 180 But it was a stepping stone for me and I’m thankful for what Max King had to offer but a lot of things in the Covenantal Eschatology view, did not sit right with me. 181 So back in 2010 I wanted to venture out and Transcend beyond AD70. 182 Back in 2010 I respected Ed Stevens openness to explore beyond AD70 as well. 183 Don Preston after communicating with him said he believe all of us still were effected by Adam’s sin and death and that people today need to be born again from ignorer to be saved. 184 That seems odd to me because at the same time Don believes that death was cast into the Lake of Fire. 185 It confused me and I though maybe Don had some other kind of death in mind either that or he did not connect death with Adam’s death. 186 Sometime it takes a while for us to see things but it is usually when we are trying to defend our view the Spiritual blinders are on. 187 He seemed to be stuck in the wilderness like Moses was except in the first century antitype and it was as if Don could not get beyond AD70 and explore the promised land with the antitypes of the New Heaven & Earth. 188 So its like I am here now like with Joshua living after crossing the Jordan River looking back at all those were left behind in the wilderness, still eating the Manna from 2000 years ago, and striking that Rock for water, and lifting up the Bronze Serpent to be able to escape God’s wrath in a Fantasyland that does not exist because of not having a eschatology view that is right.

189 When our eschatology view is full and complete everything else will fall in line and we will realize that we are the glory that was to be revealed in:

 Romans 8:18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.


190 We are living in the Glorious New Creation now in the New Heaven & Earth.

Romans 8:21because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

191 The rapture was a Spiritual rapture that had no physical bodies being raised up from the dead. No one was in heaven before the rapture yet people today say after someone dies that they are in Heaven yet believe Christ has not come yet.