by Brad Baker
April 1st 2022
1 Adam died a Spiritual death the very day he sinned as well as a physical death through the lamb that God provide as a substitutional sacrifice that represented His Son Jesus Christ so that Adam could be forgiven and covered with Christ righteousness. 2 Adam would have received an Immortal Spirited Being’s Body at the time of his physical death if he would have never sinned during his life time for eating from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil instead of spending thousands of years in Hades after He died.
3 The Hereafter’s Immortal Spirited Being’s Individual Body View defines the name to call it as the The Hereafter Spiritual Body “HSB”.
We have a Spirit but what happens to it after physical death:
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.
4 This article is about my analyses from quotes taken from two articles by Ed Stevens after just reading a few sentences at their beginnings and with their conclusions. 5 I began to see the problem that has been between the two views within the Full Preterist which are the CBV and the IBV and wrote what I hope is the solution to them that Ed was mentioning and here they are. 6 The main solution is in the first paragraph that I wanted to stand out first as the main one to catch the attention of those who read this. 7 I then came up with a new view call the Hereafter Spiritual Body View according to the way I see it and I hope it solves the problem and bring unity in our faith and bring us all together in agreement. I guess it is at least worth taking a look at and see it things add up to the truth that only God can reveal.
8 My conclusions from Ed Steven’s two articles are here in the beginning of this article now. I have added an addition at the end of it and I am in full agreement now with Ed Stevens in this IBV. Considering those who were alive and remain at the Parousia were part of the Bride of Christ and being made one, which would be why they did not have to physical die first unlike everyone else to get a Spiritual body.
1. Resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15
A Immortal Spirited Being’s body usually can not be seen by people on the Earth but only those in the Hereafter can see it just like flesh and blood can not see the Kingdom of God. 9 Without the transformation with the resurrection of the dead from mortality to immortality for the life in the hereafter no one would be able to identify who each other are. 10 In fact the would not even be able to identify who the triune Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit would be. 11 Maybe the Holy Spirit has no bodily form to identify with and I’m okay with that but will find out in the hereafter.
12 Adam died a Spiritual dead the day he sinned but could not receive an Immortal Spirited Being’s body until Matthew 27:50-53 or in AD70 at the Great White Thrown Judgement. 13 Adam was sent to hades/grave and slept until he was resurrected from the grave. 14 Some who believe that Adam would have physically lived forever if he had not sinned will said that he lived 930 years in order to justify a physical resurrected body after death. 15 Moses did write that Adam lived a 930 years in the Bible, but was that in moon cycle years or sun cycle years. 16 Adam would have died at 77 in sun cycles when compared to moon cycles which occur about every 30 days. 17 All the people that lived from Adam to Noah could have been using the moon cycles for years but the moon cycles are more obvious to count compared to the sun. 18 With the sun there are seasons but in the hot desert it could be hard to tell summer from winter. 19 Reality tells me it was moon cycles years of 930 but that is something we will never know about in this life.
20 God limited man’s years after the great flood not before it or was it just a switching from moon cycle years to Sun cycles years. 21 The genealogies in Genesis 6 apply to Adam to the flood many years after Adam died. 22 Adam had Seth at 130 years old and if in moon cycles would have been about 10 years in Sun cycles. 23 The youngest male to have fathered an offspring on recored I think was 9 years old. 24 Noah was 600 years old when the flood happened. 25 Noah was 500 years old when he had three sons. 26 Those sons would have been 100 years old by the time the flood happened and not sons from them at the time. 28 Only eight people were taken into the Ark. 29 You would think that Noah would have had more children in the 600 years before the flood and that he would have gone started at a much younger age than 500 years old to have his first born. 30 In moon cycles years Noah would have been around 41 when he had his sons.
31 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. Enoch would have only been 5.4 years old if moon cycles were taken into account so that does not make sense. 32 What does make sense is that the recored that Moses had and wrote into the scriptures we’re most likely not accurate but was all they had to go by. 33 Moses was born 2600 years after Adam and about 1600 years before Noah. 34 The scriptures were written by men being inspired by God and I Believe that is true. 35 When recordings of years etc. they were put in according to the knowledge the writers had and God inspired them to be writing. 35 Moses and all the other prophets and Apostles were seekers of truth and did the best that they could with the information that they had. 36 We can’t hold them to account for each year to be accurate especially when they were not even there to count them all and in every situation. 37 Most the the birth Moses listed ended in fifths or tenths of years until the last few which had number in between. 38 Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch. And all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died so 62 seem the number by chance.
39 I don’t believe that every word in the scriptures was God speaking but all that was written was inspired by God. 40 Many scriptures have what Satan was speaking and Satan spoke lies to Eve to get her to sin. 41 Only a staunch Atheist would try to discredit the scriptures by holding every word or year into account to try to discredit the scriptures as if every year had to be accurate or chuck out the whole thing. 42 If you don’t agree with me try explain all this to an Atheist that would try to devour you.
2 Timothy 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
43 My own Grandparent did not have accurate datings for the births which was just over a 100 years ago.
44 So back to the main topic I do not believe that God would have ever intended Adam to never died physically and would have given Adam an Immortal Spirited Being’s body right after he died physical if he had never ate from the forbid tree of Knowledge so that in a sense Adam would have never died except for his physical body that would return to the dust of the Earth.
2. IBV of Bodily Change
45 I agree with Ed Stevens on his conclusion here on these things here but added a few things with my own view into his conclusion in his article IBV of Bodily Change. 46 There could have been no collective body change that happened all at once, but rather one person at a time and each person rises up from the graves after physical death within their own order of when they physically died after Christ was the first to be resurrected. 47 Able, Adam’s son could have been the second one resurrected because he was the first to have physically died and so on, each in their own order and each in their own glory but not all at the same time but in a corporate manner both in the first resurrection and the second resurrection. 48 Some as gold, some as silver and other as bronze in the first resurrection. 49 Then in the second or General resurrection in AD70 with the just as gold, some as silver and others as bronze for the unjust as stubble, hay or wood at the Great White Throne Judge in AD70.
50 The idea of a covenantal only change of individual souls as some say with the CBV I believe is not true because the resurrection in AD70 included all the dead who had ever lived 51 There has to be an Spirited Being’s body to identify each one of them with, whether they were of those under the first covenant or from the rest of the world who had laws unto themselves. 52 If it was Spiritual only in a way that no one was recognizable no one would be able to identify them and no one would know who each other were. 53 I believe this would be important for security reasons other wise Satan and his demon could enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, God forbids anything that would be abomination from entering into the Heaven of Heaven where the Tree of Life is. 54 The gates are open for all to enter in and eat from the Tree of Life except those who were abdominal that stood outside of the gates that could not be conformed into the image of Christ as seen in:
Revelation 22: 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
55 I believe that upon having faith and belief in God we become alive with an alive Spirit within our physical body like the saints did during the first century when they were converted to Christ and by the example of the Prodigal son had after he returned to his Father “Jesus Christ our Everlasting Father”. 56 But at the time of physical death our physical body return to dust in exchanged for an Immortal Spirited Being’s body within a twinkling of an eye now that we live in the Age of the New Heaven & Earth. 57 The dead who lived before the New Heaven & Earth had to waiting until AD70 unless the saints in the first century who came to Christ were present with the Lord when they were absent from their physical body at physical death. 58 All those who are believers after AD70 do not have to wait for their Immortal Spirited Being’s body and they go straight into the Kingdom of Heaven. 59 The unjust with just a mortal Spirited Being’s body who receive the second death and be cast into the Lake of Fire with no reconciliation possible for them all who are cast there and remain in the Kingdom of darkness forever to be tormented until their conscience is annihilated.
60 There is only one thing that I’m not sure of where Ed Stevens says at the end of his conclusion was that those saints who were alive and remain alive at the time of the Parousia in AD70 received their Immortal Spirited Being’s bodies at that time and continued to be alive physically, though I believe that their Spirit would have been alive in Christ.
61 So lets read this first before I explain it how I see it:
Romans 8: 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labours with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
62 Notice in Romans 8:19 where it says that they were waiting for the glory which would be waiting for them for the revealing of the Sons and may I add daughters or just children of God which ever suits the reader of this. 63 In verse 23 it says eagerly waiting for the adoption with a coma !!!, First there is the adoption, then the Immortal Spirited Being’s body.
64 I believe that they were adopted from the physical family line of Adam into the Spiritual Offspring of the Bride and Groom which was the first century Church who were the first-fruits who were in Christ by faith to be resurrected after the resurrection of all the old saints mentioned in Matthew 27:50-53 up to AD70. 65 These were all part of the first resurrection which did not have to fear the second death which came in AD70 to only the unjust. 66 The just were those from all around the world who where as sheep compared to goats in Matthew 25. The unjust were the goats from all around the world.
67 Then in verse 23 where it says: the redemption of the body. This I believe is different from the adoption mentioned in sentence before it, which is what I believe is the resurrection of Immortal Spirited Being’s body for the just and the unjust only were resurrected into a mortal “corrupt” Spirited Being’s body. 68 You might think that the hereafter will be a party time in Valhalla drinking beer with Odin and Thor but is it really worth taking that chance on…?
69 I believe that the Immortal Spirited Being’s body comes second after the natural physical body according to 1 Corinthians 15 in regards to:
A Glorious Body.
1 Corinthians 15:35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
70 Even the first century saints who were alive in AD70 when the Resurrection of the dead took place with the coming of the Lord in AD70 seemed to have to wait for a Glorious body until they physically died while those who were physically dead didn’t have to wait to be resurrected. 71 So the idea of physically alive saints having an Immortal Spirited Being’s body while they were still physically alive does not add up with: 1 Corinthians 15:36 but this is something to give it more thought on or left on the side burner because it simply can not be proven nor seen. 72 I’m just trying to line things up with the scriptures to get as close to an idea from doing that alone. 73 To debate and argue over this point would be fruitless and take you beyond the edge of hyper futuristic twilight zone. 74 Rather, these are things that we can have faith for in the things which we hope for that can not see.
75 This verse here suggest that some of the resurrected saints who were resurrected in Mathew 27: 50-53 had physically died again and had to wait until AD70 to be resurrected with an Immortal Spirited Being’s body.
1 Corinthians 15:6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep.
76 But after the Feast Day of Atonement was fulfilled in AD70 no one had to or has to now wait for an Immortal or Mortal Spirited Being’s body after they have physically died.
77 I believe at some point in time those who only get a Mortal Spirited Being’s body and are cast into the Lake of Fire are burnt to ashes after going through a process of time the fire annihilates their Mortal Spirited Being’s body. 78 And if so, it might take a hundred years after everyone that they knew and those that knew them have physically passed away and enter into their eternal destiny. 79 So that they could see the results of everyone that they knew or knew them which could be part of their torment while in the Lake of Fire. 80 But that is just my own personal imaginative idea of what could happen in the hereafter…lol
81 I really believe that physical death has to be taken into consideration:
1 Corinthians 15 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.
82 Has to take into account for in the physical realm in order for a resurrected Spirited Being’s Body:
1 Corinthians 15: 36Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies;
83 Otherwise we would be able to take on other forms like Jesus did after He was resurrected according to:
Mark 16:12 After that, He appeared in another form to two of them as they walked and went into the country.
84 But in this life here on Earth in the Spiritual realm for those who are still physically alive but in Christ have a Spirit that is alive.
85 Your Spirit is either dead or alive based on while your are physically alive, either through faith and believing in Christ making one alive or Spiritually dead because of being a non-believer.
86 God can do whatever He wants to and even have a person with an Immortal Spirited Being’s body appear with a physical form with flesh and bone and appear in another form God did with Jesus after He physically died. 87 At some point in time Jesus had become a Life-Giving Spirit with an Immortal Spirited Being’s body and that could have been at His ascension 40 days later after He rose from the dead with a physical body of flesh and bone so that He could ascend into the Kingdom of Heaven. 88 Or three days after Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead. It doesn’t really matter, all I’m convinced of is that it did happen at some point in time.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
89 I guess the only question I would have about when Jesus Christ received a Glorified Immortal Spirited Beings Body and become a Life-Giving Spirit would be, was it on the third day after His physical death that could manifest it’s self physically and in another form or after He ascended into Heaven 40 days later at His Ascension.
90 Ed Stevens mentioned in his article that someone with a Corporate Body View said that the blood that Jesus shed was Spiritual blood. 91 That was for the idea of Adam’s Spiritual death that happened to him the day Adam sinned to support the CBV of a Spiritual Resurrection only from the dead. 92 The Old Covenant used types to foreshadow antitypes while there are elements of truth to this I’m not sure if this would tell the whole story because of all the things I have mention above about the Immortal Spirited Being’s Body. 93 But it was real human physical blood that needed to be shed in order to atone for the physical death that God used a Lamb as a substitute for Adam’s physical death. 94 Adam’s physical death came much later on in his life. 95 Adam’s body could have been resurrected and transformed into an Immortal Spirited Being’s body after he slept in his grave for thousands of years in Matthew 27:50-53 after Christ was resurrected first. 96 Or if the first resurrection of the dead in Matthew 27:50-53 was a corporate resurrection for just those under the Old Covenant from Moses to Christ. 97 Death reigned from Adam to Moses so all of those from Adam to Moses may have had to wait unto AD70 to be resurrected for a Spirited Being’s Body.
Romans 5:14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
98 The importance of what the first two sentence of what I said in this article is of primary importance in order to get eschatology and about the resurrection of the dead that is closer to the truth. 99 As Ed Stevens said: it is the foundation of what we are to believe in with everything based on it for other primary truths as well as secondary truths that are not as necessary.
100 If this one thing that I stated in my first two sentences of this article above is true in regarding the death Adam died the day Adam sinned, it should help plant the seed within all eschatology views so that those views that are only partly true or not true at all stop spreading like cancer within all believers in Christ with everything else they believe in attached to their eschatological views.
101 I previously had a Corporate Body View “CBV” of the resurrection of the Dead since 2004 until I became aware of the Individual Body View “IBV” that Ed Stevens presented to me a few days ago which I thought only applied to a Spiritual resurrection of our Spirit while we are still physically alive by being seated in Heavenly place in Christ. 102 I was not aware of what was going on within the Full Preterist community and just found out that there is a split within Preterist between these two views.
103 Back in 2010, I was exploring beyond AD70 within Preterism and started posting things that were coming to my mind and most people within Preterism seemed to be avoiding me and the views I had and still do today. 104 When some people came to a conclusion that Full Preterist can lead into the Israel Only “IOV” View which excluded anyone who was not of an ancient Israeli ascent while all saints entered into Heaven and leaving the rest of the world behind as if they never existed in the eyes of God is not true but it does lead to a Church Only View called Covenant Creation.
105 It seemed like some with the IOV had taken a few things I was saying since 2010 and putting their own spin on what I was saying and twisting things around that could only include ancient Israel and because of that a lot of people were questioning my views and asking me if I was one of them or a Universalist which I am neither of because I have the New Heaven & Earth Eschatology View. “NH&EV” of the Manifested Son of God AD70.
106 I was not able to read all of the 14 articles Ed Stevens sent to me because of one lazy eye I have that causes me to get eye strained very easy which could turn into a very painful eye strain migraine of the worst kind. 107 So I have to reserve my reading time to do what needs to be done in as short as time possible and get directed into writing my own conclusions. 108 I will at some point in time try to get to all of those articles to read them and see if there are more gems in them.
109 So here is the new definition CRE to identify the new view and we can let the old version still remain as so for those who believe in CBV, so we can identify them as views that set them apart
1. CRE – for Corporate Resurrection Event not to be assoc. with CBV
2. IBV – for Individual Body Resurrection
110 The CRE would apply for the overall resurrection for everyone for everyone in Matthew 27:51-53 it would be 1st CRE. In AD70 it would be 2nd CRE, and the IBV would apply to a single persons resurrection every time. No one is resurrected out from Hades after either the cross for believers or AD70 for everyone else because Hades was cast into the Lake of Fire.
111 In this parable of The Rich Man and Lazarus it will give you an idea of how Jesus Christ saw into the hereafter at the time before the resurrection of the Dead. 112 Those who were in Abraham’s bosom were those who were resurrection in Matthew 27: 50-53 and that was the first resurrection which also continued until AD70 for the first century believers. 113 The rest being in torments in Hades had to wait until the Feast Day of Atonement was fulfilled at the Great White Throne Judgement in AD70.
The Parable of The Rich Man and Lazarus
Luke 16:19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’
114 Futurist believe in a future physical resurrection happily acknowledge that life apart from the body (at death) is to go and be with the Lord in Heaven. 115 But they also look forward to receiving an immortal and glorified physical form at the resurrection in order to live out our new existence in full measure. 116 It’s ironic that the futurists are still waiting for the resurrection of the dead yet believe that when they die they get to go into Heaven right away as if absent from the body present with the Lord. 117 And when you to to a Memorial after someone dies they will all tell you that they are in a better place in Heaven. 118 If the resurrection of the dead has not happened yet then no one is or has been in Heaven yet. They fail to see what these scriptures say here regarding a physical body in the hereafter:
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
119 What kind of body do Angels have. Are physical with flesh blood and bone or are they Spirited Beings…?
120 Angels were seen in many places of the Bible from Lot in Genesis to John saw many different Angels as he had mentioned when writing the Book of Revelation.
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
121 Jesus said in the resurrection they would be like Angels of God in Heaven unless you can prove beyond a shadow of doubt that Angels have flesh blood and bone and that the gravity of the Earth does not hold down there body weight to the Earth.
122 All the Greek words with literal means that make people believe in a physical resurrected body because they say the dead is the corpses and this is how this verse should be read in: I Cor 15:16 For if the “corpses” are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 123 They are missing out the typology of natural things to represent Spiritual things so they in your natural carnal mind judge Full Preterist or anyone else who believes in a Spiritual body resurrection with lying against the Spirit of truth and that is just like saying that they get their information from lying Spirits and the father of lies is the Devil. Those who believe in the physical resurrected body view will tell you that you are not going to Heaven or that you are not saved because you do not believe in same nature of the resurrection that they do. 124 Are they not calling the Holy Spirit the Devil if the those who believe in a Spiritual body resurrection are getting their information from the Holy Spirit by calling them liars…? 126 I rest my case and say checkmate.
1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
127 It also appears to me that a Spirited Being like Elijah was can manifest through another person like in Matthew 11:11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
128 I believe this was a type of how Jesus Christ would manifest Himself through His people who were abiding in Him according to John 17.
129 Now here is the difference of how our Spirit that is in our earthly house which is our physical body has immortality compared to the Spiritual body we get in the hereafter. 130 While our Spirit is in our physical body that is alive we put on immortality like clothing which can be taken off at any time. 131 However once we pass away into the hereafter we get a Spiritual body that will be immortal if we are worthy that can not be taken off and it will last forever.
132 In the here and now:
2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
133 In the hereafter:
1 Corinthians 15:35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
May16th 2022 Addition:
134 I’ve just started reading Ed Stevens’s article again up to page 6 on the Individual Body View with 12 more to go and I agree with everything he said so far. 135 I have gotten a good reason why the few that remained alive at the coming of the Lord in AD70 got a Spiritual body at the coming of the Lord and why everyone else has to wait for it at physical death. 136 The reason why is because they were the very rare and few and once in a life time throughout history for these people to get a Spiritual body without physical dying first. 137 It is because they were part of being the Bride of Christ. 138 The Bride and Groom became Spiritually connected in every way at the marriage of the Lamb. 139 The two shall become one therefore the ones who were alive got a Spiritual body from Christ at His Parousia in the clouds of glory in AD70. 140 I just heard recently that the Parousia or coming of the Lord that His Parousia could have happened over the period of time of three and a half years starting when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem in AD66. 141 So if that is the way it happened then there was a lot of time for things to happen but the dead were raised at the sound of the last Trump. 142 Then the fulfillment of the Feast Day of Atonement at the Great White Throne Judgment took place before the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles took place which is where I see the marriage of the Lamb where it could have been at the last Trump when the Feast of Trumpet would have occurred before the other Feasts were fulfilled. 143 There is always something does doesn’t seem to fit in. 144 Maybe someone will figure this out in the future because it boggles my mind right now after thinking I had it figured out and with everything else going on in it. 145 Oh well its a mystery anyways and life would not be as fun without having them to try to figure out.
146 I want to reiterate the seed to a plant for the physical body as a seed then at physical death it becomes a plant of various kinds or in another form like Jesus appeared in: Mark 16:12
1 Corinthians 15:35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.
147 I want to now illustrating a caterpillar, cocoon, butterfly for our Spirit which is separate from the body while being housed in it. 148 The caterpillar would be the Spirit that is considered to be dead because it is not in fellowship with God feeding from the Tree of Life but instead feeding from the Tree of Knowledge.
149 After a person returns back to feeding from the Tree of Life their Spirit is made alive and clothed with Immortality like a cocoon wrapped around the caterpillar and the caterpillar is being transformed into the butterfly which represents the image of Christ. 150 We stay in this state until physical death.
151 Once the physical body dies the Spirit returns back to God like a butterfly being released from its cocoon so that it can join the new Spiritual body waiting for the Spirit to enter into and become one in the hereafter. 152 We will be able to identify each other by the Spiritual body either Immortal in Heaven or Mortal in the Lake of Fire because the Spirit will be invisible.
153 I’m just finding out more about CBV and I do not agree with it at all. I do believe that Matt. 27 and AD70 were corporate body resurrection but not as Covenantal Resurrections.
154 The first resurrection was in Matthew 27:51-53 of all those who knew God and were called saints and they all were not part of the Old Covenant that God had with Moses. 155 What about Adam, Enoch, Noah, etc.
156 However the CBV seems to only talk about AD70 so let’s say only those who were in the Old Covenant were corporately resurrected in AD70. 157 How could CBV have being resurrected into the New Covenant in AD70 when the New Covenant was already made, signed and delivered and people were getting baptized in the Holy Spirit back at Pentecost. 158 This view just does not make sense because the resurrection of the dead as stated in 1 Corinthians 15 & 2 Corinthians 5 mention nothing about covenants, only bodies of humans. 159 Is there some kind of hidden typology not seen by other and only them going on here or what. 160 Then most, not all CBV’ers add to that the the anti-indwelling of the Holy Spirit which most, not all believe in. 161 I would stay away from the view like the plague until proven innocent as if already proven guilty and doing their time in the refining fire. 162 Those who believe in that must be in Outer Darkness and don’t even know, while believing that they are in the light. 163 Must be the light coming from the refining fire that they are in that makes it seem they are in the light. 164 I guess I would have a few questions for them and don’t know what their whole view is right now so I will leave it at that for now until a retrial is made. 165 I just hope and pray that they will dump that view so all of us Preterist can stand united instead of divided. Divided we stand on this for now because I sure don’t plan on dumping my view in exchange for theirs.
166 The death Adam was to die was both a Spiritual and a physical death. God provided a substitute animal the day Adam and Eve sinned and covered them with its skin. 167 This was an act of God’s grace and mercy. 168 Notice here that God did not say Adam would not die physical if he never sinned but it was wheresoever day it was he would die. 169 Many people believed this meant that Adam would never physical die but that is not what it says.
Genesis 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil—of it ye shall not eat, but in whatsoever day ye eat of it, ye shall surely die.
170 If Adam was to have never died if he never had sinned he would have never been able to enter Heaven where flesh and blood can not enter. 171 If Adam physical death at the end of his years was what God meant then that would also mean that in the resurrection Everyone would have had a physical body which is not how it happened. 172 Paul clearly says that the resurrected body was a Spiritual body in 1 Corinthians 15:44-45.
173 Therefore when we connect all the dots from scripture it boils down to this. In the hereafter everyone post AD70 is raised with a Spiritual body. 174 Some will be immortal and other will be mortal because after judgment the Spiritual body and soul can be destroyed but the Spirit or conscience that connects with God and returns to God at physical death is never destroyed. 175 So this is what was to be tormented forever in the Lake of Fire. 176 With the soul destroyed repentance is impossible for what Universalist would say when the unjust repent after they are in the Lake of Fire and get a free card out of the Lake of Fire. 177 The soul is the mind, will and the emotions therefore no emotional pain. 178 Annihilationalist say everything gets annihilated, while Universalist say only dead works controlled by the soul get annihilated while the Spirit is saved, but both of these views are not seeing the big picture completely. 179 The unjust lose their Spiritual body and soul in the Lake of Fire while their Spirit consciousness is tormented forever as the scriptures and Holy Spirit guide us to believe. 180 Otherwise we have to rule out both to fit a view that is not seeing the big picture after connecting all the dots that hermeneutics will show us if we have an open heart and mind to receive it.
Matthew 10:28And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was,
And the spirit will return to God who gave it.
Revelation 14:11And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
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