Don K. Preston and Brad M. Baker Dead End Debate: August 10th 2024

August 10th 2024

Intro: Here is a debate I had with Don K Preston on the 1954 anniversary of the Temple being destroyed at the end of the age in AD70 and the beginning of the New Heaven and Earth. It started with a comment by Mike Sullivan.

Mike Sullivan: In yesterdays show we talked about Doug Wilson’s failure in his recent debate with an Amillennialist to deal with the fact that when the 7th trumpet of Rev. 10–11 is sounded, it’s not only time for the “Great City” [Jerusalem] to be judged, but this was the “appointed time” “3 1/2 years” for the resurrection of Dan. 12:2-4, 7LXX to be fulfilled. And we address Ed Stevens horrible physical “rapture” in AD 70 teaching. We look at how Jesus uses “gather” and harpazo in the gospels. So we dealt with two PARTIAL PRETERIST false teachers (Doug and Ed) who can’t “show their work” on an exegetical level. Douglas Wilson won’t debate us and Ed can’t finish his written debate with Don. Hmmm, I wonder why?!?

Brad Baker #1: I’ve been following Ed’s view on his Spiritual redemptive body view for each individual member of the body of Christ for many years now and not once have I hear Ed believes in a physical body resurrection. The first century saints who were alive at the coming of the Lord had the physical body changed into a Spiritual body and those who were disembodies souls received their Spiritual redemptive body

I don’t know why they are saying that Ed teaches a physical body resurrection because those that know Ed, know what he believes in.

Maybe they have picked out something Ed believed in 60 years ago and are using it against him now.

Futurist and Partial Preterist are the only ones who believe in a physical body view, definitely not Ed.

Don K. Preston #1: The resurrection was to overcome the death of Adam, i.e. the death introduced by Adam– said Paul.

The Death of Adam was physical death, says Stevens.

Therefore, the death of Adam to be overcome was physical death.

You cannot identify the death introduced by Adam as physical death and deny that physical resurrection was necessary to overcome that death.

Your representation of the CBV as nothing but a change in mentality / thinking shows that you did not properly understand it for those 18 years that you say you believed in it.

I affirm that I will never die as a result of the parousia, because I have entered in to eternal life. Do you believe that? And you KNOW that I am not talking about physical life, correct?

Ed says that promise belong ONLY TO THE FIRST CENTURY SAINTS! IS THAT YOUR POSITION? If so, please demonstrate that from scripture.

Brad Baker #2: Some believe that Adam would have physically lived forever if he did not sin. Futurist demand a physical resurrection because of this belief. To me this belief is moot if your not demanding a physical resurrection. I personally believe that Adam would have physically died no matter if he sinned or did not sin. The death that became as a result of Adam sinning was Hadean death. When Adam died his body decayed which was to be expected but Adam did not receive his redemptive Spiritual body until thousands of years later in the resurrection at Matthew 27:51-53 when he would have followed Jesus into Heaven in his new Spiritual body when Jesus Ascended into Heaven.

I believe what Ed Stevens said about Adam’s physical death the day Adam sinned was as Ed says. Adam would have died by God’s wrath though being killed that day but God in His mercy killed an animal instead which represented Jesus the lamb who was slain from the foundations of the world.

Revelation 13:8All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Adam also experienced a Spiritual death in his relationship with God and died being in God’s image. Adam became a god instead with his own knowledge of what was good and evil.

You said: Therefore, the death of Adam to be overcome was physical death.

This is your demand on what Ed said, not his demand. Ed has always said the Hadean death was overcome at the cross so why do you insist physical death had to be overcome…? Are you not playing into what Futurist demand by doing so..?

I have to give you another Pinocchio for this one Don but you are going to get a few more by the time I’m done.

You said: I affirm that I will never die as a result of the parousia, because I have entered in to eternal life. Do you believe that?

I don’t know yet if you will never die the second death because your Day of Atonement will be when you face the judgment seat of Christ after you physically die.

But here is where you get another Pinocchio for saying that Ed believe ONLY TO THE FIRST CENTURY SAINTS had Eternal life. This is not what Ed says at all but it is your twisted version of what Ed said about ONLY TO THE FIRST CENTURY SAINTS would not taste physical death but be changed in a twinkling of an eye at the parousia in AD66 on the night of the Feast of Pentecost.

Josephus “Moreover at that feast which we call Pentecost [June 66 AD], as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, ‘Let us remove hence.’”[Wars 6.299 (6.5.3)]

Jesus had to change from a physical body into a Life-giving Spirit before He went into Heaven along with those first fruits of Israel in Matthew 27:51-53; Just like all the saints did in AD66. If you don’t believe that then you believe Jesus has a physical body in Heaven like Futurist believe…?

I’ve been listing to you series on the Atonement and here is another Pinocchio for you. You said many times that the first century saints sins were not forgiven until the day of Atonement was fulfilled in AD70. I agree with you that the day of Atonement was fulfilled in AD70 but I disagree that there sins were not forgiven until then.

Sins were forgiven because of the cross which covered their sins but the memory was not blotted out until the Day of Atonement. I believe the blood Jesus shed was the blood for Atonement and when the veil was torn while He was on the cross was when it was received for Atonement of sins. The New Covenant blood was for the blotting out of the memory of sins but that required the High Priest not only to enter into the Most Holy Place but He had to come out of there to. It would take to much space to explain it all here but if you would like I can send you a few articles that get into it deeper. Just let me know.

The other Pinocchio for you is that Israel only had three Feast days, not seven as I once believed as well. The day of Atonement was not a Feast day, it was a day of fasting and prayer. It was a solemn day but it was a Convocation day of no work. Just because many Bible translations call all seven appointed times Feast do not mean they were. The Sheaf Wave, Blowing of Trumpets and day of Atonement were not Feast days and the Passover was so connected to the Feast of Un-leaven Bread so they were as one for a Holy Week.

Anyway I did appreciate your videos a lot because I learn from errors just as much if not more than hearing 100% truth. But I think you need to go back on some points and refine them in the refining fire. I’ve had to do that to many of my articles but with each edition they become more pure as gold by doing so. I’m not perfect yet so I will still edit and still have additions to put into my writings. I just re-wrote my Feasts of the Lord series and Daniel 9:24-27 series.

There is one more Pinocchio for you. A while back I asked you if you believe that mankind is still under Adam’s sin and death and you said yes. If this was true then Romans 8:20-22 was not fulfilled yet with the Whole Creation of mankind or from the 70 nations that came into being after Noah, being delivered out from the bondage of corruption and into the liberty of the children of God.

I believe the Whole Creation of mankind was and they were all adopted into the liberty of the children of God in AD70 when the Day of Atonement was fulfilled. And all born after that including all of us today were born as Offspring to the first century Bride of Christ and Jesus Christ the groom. Everyone was born into the New Covenant and live in the New Heaven and Earth. No one has to be concerned about Hadean death after they physically die, but everyone has to be concerned about the second death, the Lake of Fire which can hurt them.

When everyone physical dies everyone goes to Heaven in their new Spiritual redemptive body to face the judgment seat of Christ to get their reward. The just are rewarded with immortal life for their Spiritual body and soul. The unjust have their Spiritual body and soul destroyed in the Lake of Fire but their Spirit or conscience that goes back to God and remains forever tormented in the presence of the Lamb and their Spirit has no rest day and night.

Don K. Preston #2: Well, Brad, you said a lot but gave no exegesis to support your claims, and you asserted things, for instance on Matthew 27:51f for which you gave no exegesis or proof. Assertion is not proof.

Matthew 27 was a physical resurrection. There is not one word, ANYWHERE to suggest otherwise. So, if that was the first fruit, then that demands that the harvest resurrection had to be physical resurrection also. But you make matters worse when you affirm, with no proof: //when the First Fruits who had the Spirit were changed into their Spiritual Redemptive body and met the Lord in the unseen Spiritual realm and went to Heaven.//

You have that beginning in Matthew 27 (AD 33) and being consummated in AD 66. That means that all of those raised in Matthew 27 remained alive for that 33 year period. Can you provide some documentation for that? What your post presents is a wealth of speculation and nothing more.

Your attempted distinction between the forgiveness of sin and the remembrance of sin is untenable. According to the Lord’s promise of the New Covenant, the forgiveness of sin is equal to the sins not being remembered. These are synonymous concepts that happened synchronously. The early church has the gifts of the Spirit to guarantee the coming redemption– and redemption was forgiveness, Ephesians 1:7). And according to Romans 11:26-27 that forgiveness, that taking away of sin, was to be at the parousia.

You claim: //A while back I asked you if you believe that mankind is still under Adam’s sin and death and you said yes. If this was true then Romans 8:20-22 was not fulfilled yet with the Whole Creation of mankind being delivered out from the bondage of corruption and into the liberty of the children of God.//

This is simply not true, Brad. As I noted in another post in this chain, what you are overlooking is the critical term and concept of “in Christ.” Paul said “even so IN CHRIST shall all be made alive.” The death of Adam is nullified / abrogated for those IN CHRIST– NOT FOR THOSE OUTSIDE OF CHRIST.

So, tell us, Brad, are those outside of Christ condemned spiritually. And do they die the death of Adam? Yes or No? Your own words pose a serious problem for what you are arguing.

For you to assert that the entire creation was delivered from the bondage of corruption but THEN: //When everyone physical dies everyone goes to Heaven in their new Spiritual redemptive body to face the judgment seat of Christ to get their reward. The just are rewarded with immortal life for their Spiritual body and soul. The unjust have their Spiritual body and soul destroyed in the Lake of Fire but their Spirit or conscience that goes back to God remains forever tormented in the presence of the Lamb and their Spirit has no rest day and night.//

First off, you gave no scripture. None.

Second, your posit has even the wicked being delivered from the bondage of corruption: //everyone physical dies everyone goes to Heaven in their new Spiritual redemptive body to face the judgment seat of Christ to get their reward.//

So, they- the wicked – are delivered from the bondage of corruption. But that means they are delivered into the glorious liberty of the sons of God! That is what the redemption of creation was per Romans 8! But then, you have them, in their glorious spiritual bodies, which have been delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the sons of God. They face judgment and their new spiritual body is then destroyed in the Lake of Fire, while their spirit goes back to God to be tormented in the presence of God forever and forever!

If you are going to refute what I have said you are going to have to engage in serious exegesis. In your entire lengthy post, the only verse that you even mentioned was Matthew 27 yet all you did was make unproven assertions about that text.

Your claim about the feast days is specious. Leviticus says “these are the feasts of the Lord” (Lev. 23:1-2) and mentions each of the feast days– as well as the seventh day Sabbath.

You tried to deny that Ed’s position demands a physical death by simply saying that is not what he teaches. Well, you did not address the argument:

The resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15 would be to overcome the death that entered through Adam.

The death that entered through Adam was physical death– Ed Stevens.

Therefore, the resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15 would be to overcome physical death.

It is completely illogical to affirm that the death introduced by Adam was physical death but that the resurrection to overcome the death introduced by Adam was not physical death.

Last Response from Don K. Preston Broken Down:

Don K. Preston #3: Well, Brad, you said a lot but gave no exegesis to support your claims, and you asserted things, for instance on Matthew 27:51f for which you gave no exegesis or proof. Assertion is not proof.

Brad Baker #3: Adam did not receive his redemptive Spiritual body until thousands of years later in the resurrection at Matthew 27:51-53 when he would have followed Jesus into Heaven in his new Spiritual body when Jesus Ascended into Heaven.

Ephesians 4:8a Therefore it says,

“When He ascended on high,
He led captive a host of captives,
And He gave gifts to men.”

Who else would Jesus led captive when He Ascended Don. I’ll tell you here, it was the 144,000 redeemed from the Earth who followed the Lamb wherever He went.

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:

Revelation 14:4 These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.

Don K. Preston #4: Matthew 27 was a physical resurrection. There is not one word, ANYWHERE to suggest otherwise.

Brad Baker #4: We don’t know if those in Matthew 27:51-53 were raised with their physical bodies, but lets say they were; then those bodies would have had to change into their Spiritual body like Jesus did when He Ascended into Heaven and became a Life-giving Spirit. But they could have been raised into their Spiritual body that could manifest in a physical body just like Angels can do.

1 Corinthians 15:42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Don K. Preston #5: You have that beginning in Matthew 27 (AD 33) and being consummated in AD 66. That means that all of those raised in Matthew 27 remained alive for that 33 year period. Can you provide some documentation for that?

Brad Baker #5: I did not go into great details about the first resurrection but in a nutshell it began in with the first fruits of Israel “Sheaf Wave of the Barley harvest….Lev. 23” Matthew 27:51-53. And ended ended 36.5 years later with the First Fruits who had the Spirit “ Feast of Pentecost wheat harvest Lev. 23”

Those two groups of first fruits line up with the Spring Feasts.

This was the first resurrection where all were blessed

Revelation 20:5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

The GWTJ resurrection was in AD70 when the temple no longer stood or was taken out of the way. It was the resurrection of the dead from the Whole Creation “Feast of Tabernacles fruit harvest…Lev.23”

There were three times where Atonement could have been made after the sacrifice of Jesus Christ shed blood with Him entering and exiting the Most Holy Place; but the final Atonement was according to the type in the Day of Atonement coming after the Blowing of trumpets with the Feast of tabernacles following as the antitype, and that was in AD70.

The first time with Jesus Christ entering and exiting the Most Holy Place could have been when He yielded up His Spirit while on the cross when the veil in the temple was torn and He could have made Atonement for the first resurrection of those in Hades who He set free on the third day when He rose from the dead in Matthew 27:51-53.

The second time Jesus Christ could have entering and exiting the Most Holy Place was when He Ascended into Heaven, for those who would be eagerly waiting for Him in AD66 when Christ appeared a second time. This second time entry would have been just ten days before the Feast of Pentecost where the New Covenant would have begun and within the Covenant was the promise of sins forgiven and will not be remembered. That is what Atonement did was to blot out the memory of sin. Pentecost and Atonement have 50 in common. For Pentecost it was a Feast 50 days from the Sheaf Wave that was like a forerunner Jubilee; and with Atonement it was the 50th year of Jubilee which ultimately was the restoration of all things for the Whole Creation when the antitype was fulfilled in AD70.

The third time Jesus Christ could have entering and exiting the Most Holy Place could have been after the Temple no longer stood according to Hebrews 9:8 and Jesus Christ would have entering and exiting the Most Holy Place for the resurrection of the just and the unjust from the Whole Creation of mankind that were not part of the First Fruits Resurrection that began in Matthew 27:51-53 and finished in AD66 when the First Fruits who had the Spirit were changed into their Spiritual Redemptive body and met the Lord in the unseen Spiritual realm and went to Heaven. The third time and final time before the end of the Age that Jesus entering and exiting the Most Holy Place would have been the antitype fulfillment of the day of Atonement where Lev. 23 was the type.

Don K. Preston #6: Your attempted distinction between the forgiveness of sin and the remembrance of sin is untenable. According to the Lord’s promise of the New Covenant, the forgiveness of sin is equal to the sins not being remembered.

Brad Baker #6: I agree with you that the Lord’s promise of the New Covenant was the forgiveness of sin, but it does not say that forgiveness is equal to the sins not being remembered. The New Covenant says in Hebrews 10:17: “And their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” It does not say “when” they would be remembered no more. But this gives us a clue:

Hebrews 9:28so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

It also says in Hebrews 10:26: For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Romans 4:6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven, And whose sins have been covered.8 “Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account.”

My distinction between the forgiveness of sin and the remembrance of sin is very much tenable.

NASB

Nehemiah 4:5 Do not forgive their iniquity and let not their sin be blotted out before You, for they have demoralized the builders.

NKJV

Nehemiah 4:5Do not cover their iniquity, and do not let their sin be blotted out from before You; for they have provoked You to anger before the builders.

It is seen through the differences between the Passover Vs. Day of Atonement. After the Passover sacrifice when Jesus died on the cross Peter said this:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

On the Day of Atonement every year the memory of Israel’s sins were transferred over to the scapegoat so that the memory of their sins was blotted out from them. This is where Hebrews 9:28 comes into play for them in the first century. For us today or post AD70 it happens when we pass away after we face the judgment seat of Christ.

Leviticus 16:21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.

Leviticus 16:34 This shall be an everlasting statute for you, to make atonement for the children of Israel, for all their sins, once a year.” And he did as the Lord commanded Moses.

Don K. Preston #7: So, tell us, Brad, are those outside of Christ condemned spiritually. And do they die the death of Adam? Yes or No? Your own words pose a serious problem for what you are arguing.

Brad Baker #7: Those outside of Christ are condemned spiritually, but in AD70 there was a reset for the Whole Creation that delivered all of mankind out from the bondage of corruption. No one has died the death of Adam since then, all those outside of Christ condemned spiritually and are in danger of being harmed by the second death which is not the death of Adam. Adam’s death was in Hades and Hades was cast into the Lake of Fire when All Things were Made New.

Your own words pose a serious problem for what you are arguing Don, that those outside of Christ are condemned to the death of Adam.

Don K. Preston #8: First off, you gave no scripture. None.

Brad Baker #8: Yes Don even the wicked were delivered from the bondage of corruption “of the law of sin and death = Hades” Even the wick were a part of the Whole Creation that were adopted and receive Jesus Christ as their Everlasting Father who replaced Adam as the father of mankind. Even the wick receive a Spiritual body at death because they can not go to Hades and become a disembodied soul. The wicked face judgment in their new Spiritual body but they lose it in the Lake of Fire. When Jesus said this He was not referring to a physical body was He..?:

Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Romans 8:20-22 is not to hard to figure out once you realize any kind of Universal Salvation is out of the question aside from it being a once in a lifetime event that kicked off the New Heaven and Earth with all things made new and set free from the bondage of corruption; with all nation under Christ ruling with a rod of iron over all people born into the New Covenant. Once you see the reset you should also see the majority instantly become as the Prodigal Son living far away from his father and Spiritually dead under a new form of a bondage of corruption called Outer Darkness and heading for the Lake of Fire in the afterlife. A repentant Prodigal Son today becomes born again in a new way that is not from being born again out of the law of sin and death that Adam bought to all of mankind but being born again out of being in Outer Darkness.

Here is how the adoption went down, in AD70 those in Christ were already adopted so the rest of the Whole Creation were all adopted. Everyone after the adoption came into being the Offspring of the Bride and Groom at physical birth. Not one child has been born under the curse of Adam’s sin and death or the second death. All had been made alive by Christ in the resurrection including the wicked for judgment and by being there being baptist by the Holy Spirit’s latter rain in fire was the Lake of Fire for them because God is a consuming fire.

Joel 2:28a “And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;

1 Corinthians 15:22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

1. Those in Christ were already adopted when they became born again:

Ephesians 1:5having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Romans 8:12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!

2. Begins with those who were already adopted eagerly waiting for the Whole Creation to be adopted in AD70

Romans 8:23Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

Don K. Preston #9: If you are going to refute what I have said you are going to have to engage in serious exegesis. In your entire lengthy post, the only verse that you even mentioned was Matthew 27 yet all you did was make unproven assertions about that text.

Brad Baker #9: I have written many articles with serious exegesis, but I also have what I hear the Spirit is saying to me which is backed up with serious exegesis. I sorry for my lengthy post but it is a rare opportunity to share with you and it took me all day to write this. Many look up to you because you are are well known so my intent is to share with you some of the things I know you are missing out on. I realize you and I do not agree on many things but if what I’m sharing now helps you in anyway it will help others through you to.

I’m just a man without a reputation “No Scholar and No Collar” that is just starting out after retiring from a job that held me in captivity to working my life away 12 to 16 hours a day with a few hundred thousand dollar left to pay on my mortgage on top of trying to survive. If I ever manage to get a book out it will have been gone through the refining fire and edited more than seven times and hopefully it will attain to as close to perfection as a human can attain.

Don K. Preston #10: Your claim about the feast days is specious. Leviticus says “these are the feasts of the Lord” (Lev. 23:1-2) and mentions each of the feast days– as well as the seventh day Sabbath.

Brad Baker #10: I hear scholars of the Bible who are in full-time ministry saying the Feast of First Fruits, Feast of Trumpets and the Feast of the Day of Atonement; but these Holy Convocation Days were not Feast Days. The Day of Atonement was the most solemn day of the year with weeping for their sins and a day of fasting and prayer that resembled nothing close to being a Feast Day or party time like the Feast of Tabernacles was. I thought that way before just because the New King James Version has it titled as so in Lev. 23, until someone pointed it out to me. Then I went back to the New American Standard Bible that I started out with in 1974 and found a better translation that did not do that but called them for what they truly are. I use both translations because where one lacks the other supplies a better definition.

Here is what I mean, the New King James Version adds a title The Feast of Trumpets but New American Standard Bible does not do that. Both translation do not call the Day of Atonement a Feast and both translation call the Blowing of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement Convocation Days.

NJKV

The Feast of Trumpets

23 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 24 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. 25 You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.’ ”

The Day of Atonement

26 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 27 “Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. 28 And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the Lord your God. 29 For any person who is not afflicted in soul on that same day shall be cut off from his people. 30 And any person who does any work on that same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. 31 You shall do no manner of work; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. 32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.”

The Feast of Tabernacles

33 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 34 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the Lord. 35 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation.

Don K. Preston #11: You tried to deny that Ed’s position demands a physical death by simply saying that is not what he teaches. Well, you did not address the argument:

The resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15 would be to overcome the death that entered through Adam.

The death that entered through Adam was physical death– Ed Stevens.

Therefore, the resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15 would be to overcome physical death.

It is completely illogical to affirm that the death introduced by Adam was physical death but that the resurrection to overcome the death introduced by Adam was not physical death.

Brad Baker #11: I’m sorry if my answer to your question did not satisfy you but it is the only way I know how to answer it so I’ll state it again:

Some believe that Adam would have physically lived forever if he did not sin. Futurist demand a physical resurrection because of this belief. To me this belief is moot for demanding a physical resurrection. I personally believe that Adam would have physically died no matter if he sinned or did not sin. The death that became a result of Adam sinning was Hadean death. When Adam died his body decayed which was to be expected but Adam did not receive his redemptive Spiritual body until thousands of years later in the resurrection at Matthew 27:51-53 when he would have followed Jesus into Heaven in his new Spiritual body when Jesus Ascended into Heaven.

I believe what Ed Stevens said about Adam’s physical death the day Adam sinned was as Ed says. Adam would have died by God’s wrath though being killed that day, but God in His mercy killed an animal instead which represented Jesus the lamb who was slain from the foundations of the world.

Revelation 13:8All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Adam also experienced a Spiritual death in his relationship with God and died being in God’s image. Adam became a god instead with his own knowledge of what was good and evil.

You said: Therefore, the death of Adam to be overcome was physical death.

For those who wonder what death Adam died, what we get in the afterlife with immortal life is what Adam was denied until Christ would come and raise him up with a Spiritual body for his afterlife in Hades.

Conclusion:

I did not hear back from Don after I answered his questions, but Don has not caught the connection to what he is saying in his newly released video: Israel’s Feast Days- Succot- The Joy of The Nations- a first Look.

The connection is from Zechariah 14:16 to Romans 8:20-23 for the Atonement for the Whole Creation which refutes the Israel Only doctrine, yet Don Preston has a Church Only doctrine while not realizing it.

The Nations Worship the King

Zechariah 14^:16And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. ²⁰For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; ²¹because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. ²²For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. ²³Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD

Acts 17:²⁴God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. ²⁵Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. ²⁶And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, ²⁷so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; ²⁸for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ ²⁹Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. ³⁰Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, ³¹because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

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The Nations Worship the King

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