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July 10th 2022
1 In typology language the 40 years of the children of Israel wilderness was a type for the first century Church to the end of the Age which was about 40 years. 2 I have spent eleven years figuring a lot of this stuff out while most have steered away from me and I have been accused of being Israel Only, and a Universalist, and for not believe Jesus shed His blood for anyone after AD70. 3 Even though I have made it perfectly clear that I am neither of them, though I have redefined what Universalism should be from the Age of Corruption of sin and death that does not include all being reconciled back to God. 4 About ten years ago I remember reading an article by Ed Stevens and I recall him saying something to the degree that some day we might have to change some of our views and bring it in line with things that were meant for the New Heaven & Earth. 5 I’ll never forget that because that inspired me to explore things in a new way and it was good for me to do at the time before I was aware of what the Israel Only view was. 6 There was no one to hold me accountable to stay in line with the status quo within Preterism because I am just a free thinker. 7 If I was in a position of recognition for service in a ministry or had a lot of material like books out there I would not have been free to stuck my neck out there, but knowing me I probably would anyways.
Covenant Creation or Church Only View:
8 The promised land was a type for the Age that was to come in the New Heaven & Earth. 9 All things were going to be new to them after the first harvest when they would be able to start keeping the Holy Convocation Day of First Fruits according to Joshua 5:12 and Leviticus 23: 10.
10 Most Full Preterist are like after crossing the Jordan River and in the promised land while still having Manna provided for them before the first harvest came so they were not yet eating from the harvest of the land.
11 The main view within Full Preterism has a lot of beliefs in type stemming from the 40 years in the wilderness that hold them back from fully reaping the benefits of the New Heaven and Earth. 12 They still have beliefs that the first century had that they were waiting for that are not meant for the New Heaven and Earth after mankind was delivered out from the Age of Corruption and All Things were Made New. 13 They still believe believers become part of the Church today and then become the Bride of Christ. 14 The marriage already took place 2000 years ago and the door was shut like for the foolish virgins to be a part of being the Bride according to Matthew 25: 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
15 The Full Preterist mainline view have a Church Only View COV when it comes to being delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 16 They still believe that the rest of the world is in Adam’s sin and death yet at the same time say Adam’s death was cast into the Lake of Fire in AD70. 17 They believe that the rest of the world was not delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God and can not be until they are born again out from Adam’s death. 18 If this was true then that would mean that everyone was born in the Lake of Fire where Adam’s death was cast into.
19 Do you see the problems with the mainline view of Full Preterism and with the rest of mainline Christianity that they have not considered the implications of their assertions and is actually anemic lacking in some very major important things. 20 This would also mean the the end of the Age is only for the Church Only and not the rest of the world or creation that all of creation was waiting for according to Romans 8:21-23. 21 Imagine if you will another form of dispensationalism to deal with here between before AD70 and after. 22 The Age of Corruption mixed in with the Age of the New Glorious Creation that was to come but for the Church Only. 23 That would be like crossing over the Jordan River in typological language but after the first harvest came so they don’t have to eat manna anymore they are still getting manna to eat for the rest of their life because they did not know the first harvest had come so they could live of the fruits of the promised land. 24 By not realizing that All Things were Made New it gets them up on a dangerous and heretical coarse like the Jews of today who reject Christ as their Messiah. 25 Its like they are throwing the baby out with the bath water when it comes to fully entering into the promised land because the manna tastes better than the milk and honey that the promised land was known to have.
Romans 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labours with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
26 The other problem I had with the mainline Full Preterist view was with Satan vaporized into thin air as if he was burnt up in the Lake of Fire therefore can not influence anyone here on Earth, when Revelation 20:10 says they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 27 In Revelation 12: 17we can see this is not the case as the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. 28 A Spirited Being that was created to be that from the beginning I believe will be around forever. 29 I can accept a mortal human to not last long in the Lake of Fire but I do not see a Spirited Being who was created to be one to begin with vaporizing into thin air when cast into the Lake of Fire that was prepared for the Devil and his Angels. 30 I see Satan being cast into the Under Earth, and that Satan no longer has dominion on the Earth over nations, nor is he the Prince of the air any longer. 31 Revelation 12: 17 makes it very clear that Satan was at war with the woman after she had her Offspring and he is still at war with us now and always will be.
32 I heard Universalist say that the Lake of Fire was only prepared for the Devil and his Angels therefore no human will be cast there. 33 That is not what Jesus said in its fullest meaning as we can clear see that was not the case to those people on the left side of Him.
Matthew 25:40And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
34 I believe those who do not believe in the truth when they hear it, and are without faith and belief in Christ, those who have taken off the clothing of Immortal life that was given to them at birth, and those who do not use their talents God gave them as someone who goes through the refining fire and is in Outer Darkness that still have time to repent before they die. 35 But for the afterlife of the unrepentant will be the Lake of Fire with no chance of being reconciled back to God.
36 The most Anemic Preterist view out there is the Israel Only View and in second place is the Church Only View. 37 Because these views prevent them from fully entering into New Heaven & Earth’s faith. 39 Transcended Full Preterist Worldview believes that the whole creation groaned and laboured with birth pangs together until AD70, not just the Church. 40 It is the Whole Creation Worldview “WCW” that transcends into the fulness of the New Heaven & Earth for everyone while the other views are anemic and are left behind as if in the wilderness with Moses. 41 We believe in a Spiritual body instead of a physical body for the life in the hereafter and we believe Adam would have physical died anyways regardless if he sinned or not. 42 The only different would have been if Adam never sinned, after he physical died he would have not had to wait in Hades for thousands of years to be resurrected and would have had a Spiritual body right away after his death and been in Heaven with God.
43 The first century Church was already experiencing a new creation as forerunners, where old things had passed away and all things had become new as we see in:
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
44 That was on a personal level because of their faith in Christ. 45 In AD70 it would become world wide for all of mankind but in a new way where a person could still reject Christ and be cast out into Outer Darkness. 46 I believe all of the things that were mentioned in Revelation 2 &3 can apply to us today as well as it did back in the first century. 47 The only difference is we begin life in Christ and were made alive in this New Glorious Creation, compared to being dead in Adam from birth and needing to be born again out from the Age of Corruption. 48 However when someone becomes like the Prodigal Son they can return back to Spiritual life when they confess their sin like in the parable of the Prodigal Sons did.
Revelation 3:16So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
Roman 8:21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labours with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
49 As long as Adam’s sin and death had not been cast into the Lake of Fire, the first century Church was still waiting for the adoption yet they were Sons of God through promise because of their faith in Christ.
50 Adam died both a Spiritual and a physical death the day he sinned because God provided a substitutional sacrificed for Adam and an animal skin was provided for him to be covered with, yet the mainline Full Preterist say Adam only died for a Spiritual death but not physical death. 51 This Spiritual death only view opens the door wide open to question the Gospel of Salvation and what death did Jesus die for because He died physical death, so we could be resurrected with a Spiritual body, as well as a Spiritual death so that we could be made Spiritually alive and be conformed into His image.
Whole Creation View:
52 The first century Church was the foundation of the Whole Creation Worldview. 53 Their example set the stage for what would happen in AD70 for the rest of the world and can be seen as the Former Rain of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit of God. 54 The Latter Rain would have taken this coarse in the scriptures seen below in the order I believe it happened. 55 The foundation from the first century became a Nation of lively stones for the Temple of God and future generations. 56 The first century Church was the type which became the antitype for the New Glorious Creation for all of mankind.
57 Jesus gave what would be the sign of the end of the Age when things began to happen with the destruction of the Temple.
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
Matthew 24:33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away
58 Although the first century Church were redeemed from the curse of the law of sin and death Adam brought to them through faith and believing that Jesus Christ was the Son of God who shed His blood for them, full redemption was to come for the rest of the world so that we all would not be under Adam’s sin and death. 59 Jesus said your redemption draws near that would take personal redemption beyond a personal level to a world wide level.
Luke 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”
Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
60 Because the Temple no longer stood after its destruction in AD70, God’s presence was before the whole world. 61 The Temple represented separation and Spiritual death between God and mankind. 62 With that gone God’s Spirit was everywhere and was poured out on all flesh in the Latter rain outpouring. 63 Even the Pharisees that John the Baptist warned them about especially God’s fire that would burn them up like hay and stubble.
Joel 2:28 “And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh
Joel 2:2b A people come, great and strong,
The like of whom has never been;
Nor will there ever be any such after them,
Even for many successive generations.
3 A fire devours before them,
And behind them a flame burns;
The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,
And behind them a desolate wilderness;
Surely nothing shall escape them.
64 That concludes how the Whole Creation Worldview got started and it paints a much bigger picture than what the Church Only View presents. 65 The Church Only View is in the middle of the road leaving the Israel Only View in the dust. 66 The New Glorious Creation Worldview takes it to its final conclusion of what it should have been if Adam did not sin only to be separated from God’s fellowship, and for Adam to die without receiving a Spiritual Body for the hereafter until thousands of years later when he was resurrected out from hades. 67 God’s New Glorious Creation fulfills His redemptive plan that He used Israel for about 1300 years to role play over every year through the Feasts of the Lord and His Holy Convocation Days that were within those Feasts and a final celebration of Jubilee for all of mankind. 68 When Jesus appeared coming in the clouds of Glory in 70 AD. It was after He entered into the presence of the Father into the Most Holy place by entering with His blood, then as the High Priest would come back out of the Most Holy place without His blood, or without sin and would declare Gods forgiveness to the just and vengeance on the unjust. 69 But as for the Age of Corruption that the world was in, it was delivered out from the sin and death that Adam had brought to them. 70 All flesh that were physical alive had the Outpouring of the Latter Rain of the Holy Spirit and Fire and became alive by Christ and were clothed with immortality like Adam was before he sinned. 71 But as soon as a person was not bearing the fruits of the Kingdom they were cast into Outer Darkness by the law of reaping what you sow. 72 So it was a once and only time of setting the coarse with human nature to a brand new beginning with all things made new for the New Heaven and Earth that was no longer under Adam’s sin and death. 73 I hope I’m finding true treasure for thoughts and at least open peoples minds to see there is so much more to the Everlasting good news of the Gospel than what mainline Christianity have been saying throughout the centuries.
74 Upon further discovery I found out the Covenant Creation View “CC” is a Church Only View by saying the New Creation is with God’s Covenant people only. 75 So that would be like God forsaking all of mankind, as if they were still under Adam’s sin and death which was cast into the Lake of Fire in AD70 which is the second death. 76 Now would that make sense that Hades which was the first death still exists for non believers, when the Lake of Fire has been prepared for the unjust…?
Luke 23:34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”
Conclusion:
77 Someone who believes in Covenant Creation asked:
A Biblical worldview question.
What comes to mind when you think of Biblical concepts that should be applied covenantally rather than universally/naturally?
78 Robert E Cruickshank Jr. answered back with a Whole Creation Worldview: “Quote”
Not sure we can make that distinction?
If the goal of the New Covenant is that all should know Him from the least to the greatest (Heb. 8:11), it seems that the New Covenant itself was meant to be universal in scope.
After His death, burial and resurrection, Jesus was given all authority in heaven and on earth (Matt. 28:18), and God now holds all men everywhere accountable to His standards (Acts 17:30). No one is exempt.
In fact, even under the Old Testament, even before the Covenant at Sinai was ratified, the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were judged for their “lawless deeds” (2 Pt. 2:8).
Jesus is the Ruler of the Kings of the Earth (Rev. 1:5), and we should be the light (2 Pt. 1:19) directing the kings of the earth to bring the glory and honor of the nations into the holy city and the nations should be walking by that light (Rev. 22:24-26).
The ramifications of the New Covenant affect everyone and everything. This is the message we should be getting out to the world.
My thoughts for what they’re worth! “End Quote”
79 Where I see a great mistake is taken in a Covenant Creation view is in their discerning what is meant by the word heaven.
80 We know for sure their were three Heavens and some say there were seven Heavens that God created. Paul mentions a third Heaven here:
2 Corinthians 12:2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
81 So there was the universe as a Heaven, there was the firmament in the midst of the waters that was a Heaven.
Genesis 1:6Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
82 In Genesis 1 the word Heavens was created and in Revelation 21 only a Heaven was made new. I believe it is a huge mistake to say Genesis 1 was talking about a Spiritual Covenantal Heaven as what Covenant Creation’s book BCS proclaims.
83 Aside from that they begin with the Spiritual first which goes against what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
84 However we do see Spiritual Heaven and Earth used in typology in which came after the literal material Heavens were created:
Isaiah 51:16 And I have put My words in your mouth;
I have covered you with the shadow of My hand,
That I may plant the heavens,
Lay the foundations of the earth,
And say to Zion, ‘You are My people.’ ”
86 What is more important, have differences that make things interesting or having the truth..?
87 Within Preterism there are five different views that effect the end results. Here is the list of the five views.
1. Israel Only
2. Covenant Creation
3. Church Only
4. Whole Creation Worldview
5. Universalism
88 There are a few views that have overlapping views, some start the same in Genesis 1 each has a different ending for the New Heaven and Earth except the Covenant Creation and Church Only View.
89 The main different between those two view is in Genesis 1 where the Covenant Creation Spiritualizes creation but the Church Only View believes in the literal creation of Genesis 1. 90 The Church Only View holds to the traditional beliefs of mainline Christianity both at the beginning and at the end. 91 The results are the same for the end results with the believers in Christ as the only beneficiaries for a redemptive body and adoption into the children of God according to Romans 8:18-24 to which we are saved in by this hope.
100 The Whole Creation Worldview is what I take a stand on. 101 It eliminates the possibility of the Universal View while including the whole creation for the redemptive body which is a Spiritual body for the afterlife and it includes all of mankind to have Jesus Christ as our Everlasting Father of all mankind. 102 Adam was the father of all mankind back in the old age of corruption but in this new Glorious Age of the New Heaven and Earth Jesus Christ and His Bride who were the first fruits of the old Age were married and we all are there Offspring no matter what.
103 The main difference between Whole Creation Worldview and Universalism is that the Whole Creation Worldview believes that those who are not worthy of immortal life end up in the Lake of Fire where the fire destroys the redemptive Spiritual body and soul but their conscience or Spirit remains in torment forever. 104 That is because without their soul they will not have a mind, will and emotions. 105 Without them they will not be able to choose to repent so therefore their souls will end in the state it was destroyed in and Revelation 22:11 bears this out.
Revelation 22:11He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
106 Universalism on the other hand believes in the soul never being destroyed which defiles what Jesus said in:
Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mark 3:29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”—
Hebrews 6:2of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
107 Covenant Creation does not believe that Adam was the first man and say Adam had a Mother and Father. 108 They also do not believe that the flood during Noah’s days was world wide, they believe it was only a local flood. So then there are two choices of possibilities:
1 If Adam was not the first man that we all came from, and the flood was local; that would mean mankind came from other men other than from Adam that were spread throughout the world who survived the flood or were not affected by it.
2 Adam was the first man and was created by God like the Bible says, and we all come from Noah and his family who survived the flood and were from the genealogy from Adam.
109 Even if God created other men after Adam from the dust of the ground who were sons of God they would have been destroyed in the flood, so no genealogy would come from them.
110 How does Covenant Creationist explain these verses especially Acts 17:26 that say we all came from Adam…?
Acts 17:26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.
1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
111 Kim Burgess who has his own Partial Preterist view where Gary DeMar has seemingly is in agreement with Kim who has coined the term of Full Stop Preterism aimed at Covenant Eschatology and Covenant Creation and rightly so. 112 Both CE and CC have similar end results that after AD70 is basically what the saints had from Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was poured out but attribute it to the Day of Atonements fulfillment in AD70. 113 While there are similarities between Pentecost and the Jubilee that came every 50th year on the Day of Atonement, Pentecost was individual but Atonement was for the Whole Creation according to Romans 8:19-23. 114 This is where CE, CC and both Kim Burgess and Gary DeMar fall short on because they believes Romans 8:19-23 only refers to the Church and has rejected the Whole Creation Worldview stretching out to all mankind in AD70 that came from the 70 nations after Noah’s flood. 115 Kim Burgess has a Partial Preterist view called Hermeneutic Eschatology.
43 Ed Stevens “Quote” Here are five of the deadly doctrines which you JL Vaughn and Tim Martin (co-authors of the Covenant Creationist book, BEYOND CREATION SCIENCE) believe and teach:
Foundational Doctrine:
1. Adam was NOT THE FIRST human being on planet earth.
2. There were MANY other human beings on the planet before Adam.
3. Adam was BORN from those pre-existing human parents.
4. Eve was PROBABLY NOT made from a rib taken from Adam’s rib-cage.
5. The Flood of Noah’s day was NOT a global flood, but instead merely a local flood
“End Quote”
2 Peter 3:5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
Manifested Sons of God AD70 