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December 20th 2024
1 The specific doctrine of original sin was developed in the 3rd century struggle against Gnosticism by Irenaeus of Lyons, and was shaped significantly by Augustine of Hippo (354–430 AD), who was the first author to use the phrase “original sin”. 2 Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. 3 This means that they are born with a built-in urge to do bad things and to disobey God. It is an important doctrine within the Roman Catholic Church.
4 Adam’s sin, or the original sin, as it came to be known, is seen as a stain on the soul that every human being is born with. 5 This is why many of the largest denominations who believe in original sin practice infant baptism.
6 I would have to say we all came biologically from Adam born with a built-in urge to do bad things and to disobey God. 7 But upon further research into the is sin nature mankind supposedly inherited from Adam I disagree with and here is why. 8 Adam received the ability to sin from the soul he received when God breathed into him and he became a living being with a soul with a built-in urge to do bad things and to disobey God.
9 What mankind inherited from Adam was both physical death and a death which was a separation from God in the afterlife spent in Hades that no one inherits it anymore. 10 Hades was cast into the Lake of Fire so Hades no longer exist for anyone in the afterlife. 11 If Adam would have never sinned he would have changed into his Spiritual body after his time of testing was done. 12 He would have gone into Heaven to be with God like Enoch did and would not have tasted physical death. 13 Enoch walked with God and God probably liked him so much that God took him so that he would be a type for those saints in the first century who were alive when Christ appeared a second time in AD66.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
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Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
1 Corinthians 15:45So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
14 Jesus is the last Adam and ended the separation from God for everyone in the afterlife. Even the wicked will be in His presence forever though their conscience or Spirit will be tormented after the Spiritual body and soul are destroyed in the Lake of Fire. 15 While the just will be in God’s presence in Spirit, soul, in their immortal Redemptive Spiritual body.
16 There is a belief within those who have Futurist view that someday after Christ returns that all believers will not be able to sin and everyone will be perfect while living on the New Earth. 17 This belief or doctrine is not true and here is why; The New Covenant states clearly in Hebrews 10:17 that our sins would not be remembered. 18 So then as long as we have a physical body that contains the soul we will be able to sin and the scriptures also say everyone has sinned. 19 The only place possible not to sin would be in Heaven, but even then Satan and his Angels sinned and were cast out of Heaven. 20 This is something we will have to wait for to find out but in Heaven it would be far more likely not to sin if we could be free from the soul with a built-in urge to do bad things and to disobey God. 21 We are made perfect only through the blood of Christ.
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Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
22 It is through the soul mankind decides to either sin or abide in the Spirit of Christ. 23 The soul is the mind, emotions and will and it is through the will mankind decides to sin or be obedient. 24 This is something mankind will always have and this is where this comes into play but the soul is the gateway into the Spirit that communicates with God.
Romans 7:9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.
25 When we are spiritually minded and walk in the Spirit we are like Adam was before he sinned and we are portraying God’s image, or call it now the image of Christ. 26 We probably could say the same thing regarding the Mark of the Beast Vs. sealed by the Holy Spirit. 27 One is having God’s laws written on the hand and forehead the other is having God’s laws written in the heart and mind. 28 One is of the carnal mind and walking in the flesh dwelling in Outer Darkness, the other is being Spiritually minded and walking in the Spirit bearing the fruits of the Kingdom with God’s will being done on Earth as it is in Heaven and seated in Heavenly places in Christ.
29 When we walk in the Spirit the tree of Life with it’s twelves fruits are what keep us Spiritually alive. 30 The leaves for the healing of the nations are for here on Earth so that those nations can have people be like sheep instead of goats. 31 The Tree of Life is said to be in the paradise of God which is in Heaven, but at the end of the Age in AD70 the New Jerusalem where the Tree of Life is, is said to come down out of Heaven in Revelation 21:2. 32 This is where the fruits and leaves from the Tree of Life are needed for the substance of Spiritual life and healing. I sure in the afterlife the Tree of Life will maintain a healthy atmosphere there as well.
Revelation 21:2And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
33 When we are being carnally minded we are being like Adam was after he sinned, as gods knowing good and evil and will usually give way to walking in the flesh which will cause death. 34 The Prodigal Son is a good example of both in how he started out as a child not knowing good and evil, then when he experienced that knowledge he started going walking in the flesh as he turned his back on his Father and family and became part of the world who does not know God. 35 After he realized what he had done with a Spiritual mind he returned back from the death of having a carnal mind and came back to life.
36 Before AD70 all went to Hades because all had sinned with the exception of a few like Enoch who walked with God and when the time came God took him and he never experienced the death of Hades where he would have been separated from God until thousands of years later when the dead were resurrected out of Hades.
37 Adam was the first man who God created and the first man to sin, but that does not mean mankind inherited the sin nature because of what Adam did and what happened to him because of it, like it was some kind of a disease. 38 Adam’s son Able was the first man who died and he would have been the first person to enter into Hades after his brother Cain killed him. 39 The nature to sin does not come because someone else sinned. 40 Sin entered into the world first through Eve, but Eve came from Adam so in a sense sin entered the world through Adam. 41 It was Eve who was the first one to sin but no one says mankind inherited a sinful nature through Eve in their doctrines.
1 Timothy 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
42 Notice in these four texts of scriptures where inheriting Adam’s supposedly sinful nature comes from.
Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.
Romans 5:17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. 18So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
Are Children Born as Sinners…?
43 Notice in Psalms 51:5 what this means is when King David was born he was born into an environment where everyone sinned including his Mother. 44 This does not make David a sinner at birth, but many people take it that way.
45 Death spread to all men, because all sinned, all sinned because we can have a soul with a carnal mind and a will, that will eventually chose to sin. 46 This is why it is wise to be filled with the Holy Spirit and to be lead by Him instead of living according to the flesh.
Romans 8:12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
47 The way I see it that when a person is living according to the flesh, they are dwelling Spiritually in Outer Darkness. 48 They can come into the light and fellowship with God when they turn away from living according to the flesh. 49 As a newborn in Christ a person becomes like a child and that can happen at any age.
Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 18:3 and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me;
50 According to many denominations Adam’s sin, or the original sin, as it came to be known, is seen as a stain on the soul that every human being is born with. 51 If this was true why would Jesus say unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven…?
52 A child is not seen as a sinner here but after they reach the age of being a young adult they becomes responsible for what they do.
James 5:20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
Ezekiel 18:3As I live,” declares the Lord God, “you are surely not going to use this proverb in Israel anymore. 4Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.
53 There are sins unto death and sins that are not, but salvation is by faith in the truth of who Christ is as Deity and for what He has done on the cross. 54 Those who do not believe that will face Judgment, but judgment for believers is for rewards for keeping His commandments that are written in our hearts and minds which manifest in works of love for one another etc.
55 So long as the Earth has people with a physical body that contains a soul we will always need to have faith in the blood Jesus Christ shed for our sins. 56 This should be a no brainer but it amazes me how some Hyper Preterist have a belief that either or both no one was forgiven until salvation came and or ended in AD70.
57 Salvation is an ongoing thing forever because the New Covenant clear states sins will be forgiven and not remembered. 58 This cannot include those who trampled on the blood of Christ or blaspheme the Holy Spirit which are sins unto death, otherwise it would be Universal salvation, which is heresy.
My Hypothesis for the New Heaven and Earth
59 The first century saints were like fore-runners for the whole Creation. They had already been adopted as children of God that the rest of the whole creation was waiting for. 60 The question is what were all the things the rest of the Whole Creation were waiting for according to Romans 8:19-23…?
60 The rest of the Whole Creation were not only waiting to be adopted into the liberty of the children of God, but also receive their redemptive body for the afterlife when they passed away like the first century saints were expecting.
61 When someone repents and is born of the Spirit they begin their new life as a child of God in a similar way when a child is born. 62 The Whole Creation was like a woman in birth pangs waiting to be delivered from the bondage of Corruption. 63 The New Heaven and Earth started out with everyone adopted as children of God from the old Age, and everyone born thereafter as the Spiritual Offspring of Jesus Christ the Everlasting Father. 64 Until a person has committed the sin unto death and becomes a child of disobedience they abide in the New Covenant as a family member of Christ. 65 When someone becomes a child of disobedience they may have been adopted by Satan, kind off like a reversal order of what was meant to be, but we have many of them here on Earth today who have gone through this.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
66 Before AD70 mankind was in the bondage of Corruption as Offspring from Adam from the natural realm and shared the same death in the afterlife in Hades. 67 Post AD70 Jesus Christ the last Adam became the Everlasting Father of mankind in the Spiritual realm and everyone was made alive by Christ, so they were adopted. 68 Everyone born after AD70 just became the Spiritual Offspring of the Bride and Groom like you and I, so we were not adopted because there was no reason to be. 69 This does not mean everyone gets an immortal body for the afterlife, only those worth do. 70 Though everyone receives an Spiritual redemptive body, those who are not worth for sins that are unto death have their Spiritual redemptive body and soul destroyed in the Lake of Fire. 71 Only their conscience or Spirit remain tormented forever in the presence of the Lamb.
72 The first century saint already had all the things like forgiveness of sins and salvation, adoption as children of God and were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. 73 They had receive their inheritance which was the redemption of the purchased possession of a redemptive body for the afterlife at the end of the age.
74 This ready but not yet doctrine with in Full Preterism does not rightly divide the word of truth between those forerunners of the new creation in Christ, and the whole creation that was still waiting for it. It actually causes a lot of confusion especially with the Corporate Body View, Covenant Eschatology and Covenant Creation.
Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
75 Tim Martin from the Covenant Creationist View says no one is in Adam post AD70 as if there was a Corporate body of Adam like the Body of Christ. 76 I would have to say that there view of no one being in Adam and mine are totally different. 77 I do see where Tim gets it from, in opposition to what Don Preston believes and what David Curtis teaches, which is all non-believers are in Adam still even today after AD70. 78 David Curtis presents a Body of Adam, Body of Moses and Body of Christ view that eliminates the Body of Moses for those first century Christians who were from Israel.
79 I believe that the Whole Creation was delivered out from the bondage of Corruption that the old age was in, starting with Adam to the end of the age in AD70. 80 When that happened the Whole Creation entered into the New Covenant as children of God who would grow up into being adults responsible for their faith and works. 81 This does not in any means mean Universal salvation like for the reason I had just mentioned earlier. 82 Those who say it does, do not fully understand the depth we are talking about here. 83 Some will just say if you don’t believe you came from Adam and that you sin because of Adam’s sin that you don’t need a Savour. 84 They obviously have a closed mind and can’t see beyond what possibly can be something they missed. 85 It doesn’t mean that they are not saved but really we are brother and sisters in this journey in life no matter where a child starts out in life and only at the end of it determines whether a person will be saved. 86 During their coarse of life determines whether people decide not to leave the New Covenant or to stick with it. 87 Or those who have left it return like the Prodigal son did.
88 If the old age was a type of the new age we are now in as the antitype, God would have created the New Heavens and Earth with all of mankind as Offspring of Christ and His Bride the Church as members of His family and in the New Covenant. 89 This would mean that the New Heavens and Earth has the last Adam who is Jesus Christ as the Everlasting Father of it.
Revelation 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
90 Edward E. Stevens “Quote”: When I studied under Orthodox rabbis and attended synagogue every Sabbath, one of the things which really impressed me was their concept of “covenant” as it applied to their families. For instance, when children are born they are considered to be already in the covenant because of their covenant parents. So, when they reach adolescence, their question is NOT, “Should I join the covenant?” but rather, “Why should I leave the covenant that has nourished me from birth?”
This is a whole different worldview than typical Christian families. We sadly do not raise our children thinking that they were born into the covenant. But that is how the first century Jewish Christians saw it. There are five examples of “household baptisms” in the New Testament. When the father came into Christianity, his whole family came in with him, including even small children. That was the same way it was for Gentiles converting to Judaism. They and their whole household were proselyte baptized into the covenant together.
Furthermore, Jesus and Apostle Paul both advised those first century saints to abstain from marriage and from having children “in view of the present distress.” It would only make their persecution more traumatic. That is why there weren’t as many children in the Church at the time of the Parousia. There were eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom, and those who never married, or never remarried if their non-Christian spouse left them.
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91 Robert E Cruickshank Jr. “Quote”: This is the whole reason for the bar mitzvah.
At that point, the child officially becomes an adult and is responsible for his own actions and beliefs.
Bar Mitzvah Meaning: A Bar or Bat Mitzvah is a coming of age ceremony for Jewish boys and girls when they reach the age of 12 or 13.
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92 We all still bio-logically come from Adam the natural father of mankind and the nature to sin comes from the soul in a human body which we get from God. 93 The Whole Creation was delivered from the bondage of corruption that began with Adam and Eve after they sinned.
94 Jesus Christ became the Spiritual Everlasting Father of mankind as the last Adam for the New Heaven and Earth where all things Spiritual were made new. 95 Our bio-logical father was Adam that the whole Creation was delivered out from the bondage of corruption that came as a result of the law of sin and death which separated mankind from God, with a destiny in Hades for the afterlife.
96 However in the new order of the New Heaven and Earth when we sin we will go through a process of the refining fire, and if we are unrepentant we maybe cast into outer darkness in this life, and Lake of Fire for the afterlife. 97 Children are alive in Christ but when they grow up and become accountable at a certain age for themselves they will experience the death of their Spirit when they sin. 98 But like the Prodigal son who was considered dead by his father because of his sin, became alive when the Son returned back to his father. 99 Likewise when we sin, the New Covenant promise of our sins being not remembered speaks of the Atonement Jesus made for the whole creation through the blood He shed for us all. 100 This New Covenant is an everlasting and perfect Covenant which will never fade away like the Old Covenant did in AD70.
Revelation 21:7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
101 Hypothesis: an idea or explanation for something that is based on known facts but has not yet been proved. In other words, it’s a statement that provides an explanation for why or how something works, based on facts (or some reasonable assumptions), but that has not yet been specifically tested.
A hypothesis is an educated guess or prediction about the relationship between two variables. It must be a testable statement; something that you can support or falsify with observable evidence. The objective of a hypothesis is for an idea to be tested, not proven.
102 Based on Deuteronomy 1:39 and if it means anything in typology I’d say my hypothesis is correct or is it a proven fact…?
Deuteronomy 1:39 Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it.
Manifested Sons of God AD70 